Another SarmSearch Sponsored Log! Winter 2015-2016 Recomp

[Hypnotix]

What's up everyone!

I've been asked by SarmSearch for the second time to run a product of theirs and voice my opinion on it. I previously ran their GW-50, and will say.. aside from the taste, it did everything everyone had said it does. Muscular and Cardiovascular endurance, clean energy through my long physically demanding work days, and even improvements on my HDL value. It wasn't a ridiculous change in HDL, but it was enough for my doctor to appreciate the efforts I was making, I remember that!

This time around I will be logging SarmSearch's S4. This was recommended to me by p-sizzle, she finds it to be her favorite SARM by far. She explained the benefits of it to me, the positive side effects being; Hardness, Strength, and Vascularity. Combined with the cycle I am on.. this will make for a very powerful add-on toward the latter end of it. More on that later. I've read some negative sides of S4 and lack of negative sides, the ones that have stuck out most are the vision changes, yellowing vision, or poor night eye. This all subsides after use... The most interesting part of this product is it's lack of negative sides that are typically associated with AAS.. it's not suppressive at recommended dosages, it does not aromatize, and it's not harmful to the liver. This means adding it into my cocktail of steroids won't add more of the same problems I have to monitor already. WIN - WIN!

The dosing of it for strength, hardness, and as part of an AAS protocol is 50-75mg daily. The half life of S4 being 4-6 hours means I will likely need to take half a dose right before work (25-37.5mg), and another half dose right when I get home 8-10 hrs later. I may look into doing 3 doses a day, and at 50mg would need 3 doses of 16.7mg. Will do some more research on dosing before starting it and come to a conclusion. I am very excited to get this log started, the product should be coming VERY soon.


I would like to include the general idea of my diet, training regimen, AAS protocol and supplementation as well.

Diet

3J posted a while back about the implementation of MCT oil into a diet, and how to effectively use it. He is quite against fasting, and basically created a "fasting" routine, but in place of food you use Coffee and MCT oil to stay anabolic during the "fasted" periods. This is also in addition to being in a very low / no carb environment. I aim to work on this regimen and allow it to fit my caloric needs. 1-2 tbsp of MCT in the morning with coffee, 2 large meals at work, a PWO meal, and a pre-bed meal. I'll be dialing it in at 2500-3000 calories, and will give myself very minimal flexibility on Macros, but plenty of variety with food choices. I've been taught well, and as always recommend dieting with 3J, an entire year will do very good things for your body and provide you with techniques and understanding of nutrition that you can use for the rest of your life.

Training

Again, 3J's got it good with Training as well. With a little modification to his plan as time passes, you can effectively use the philosophies it instills while also giving yourself variety in exercises. The Reverse Pyramid Training I'm referring to can be found in the Training Section here, and I will be using that for the most part, just changing out exercises here and there to keep it different for myself. Also, if the viewer of this thread would like to log their workouts using this program, I have a sticky thread with the Excel Spreadsheets to print out and log on your own with, also in the training section here!

AAS Protocol

TRT (Low Dose Test) Protocol - 200mg Test E (AML) / Week (2 shots) + 500ius HCG / Week (2 shots) + 0.5 mg Adex / Week (2 doses) + 3-5mg Cialis Daily

Tren Ace (AML) - 100-150mgs EOD ( Currently 4 weeks in, aiming for 12-16wks total)
Anavar (AML) - 40mg Daily for 8 weeks (Started as soon as it lands, this will cap the cycle, when I finish 8 weeks of Var, I'll end Tren)

SarmSearch S4 - I'm not 100% sure of the quantity I'm getting yet, but if it is enough for 50mg/daily for 4 weeks then I will likely use it as soon as I can to get this log going for them, and to see what it is capable of. In combination with Tren and Var... S4 should be icing on the cake! If it proves a force to be reckoned with, I'll have to buy another bottle and finish out my cycle with it completely. So, in closing of this explanation.. the 4+ Weeks of S4 will be added in somewhere with the Var, either right at the beginning of it's 8 weeks, or the last 4 weeks of it. This is all dependant on the quantity gotten as well, we shall see! I'm just stoked to have this opportunity again, get back on the horse, and get to grinding away at the iron.

Supplementation

Nothing serious here.

Multi-Vitamin x2 daily - Probiotic 25mil x2 daily - NAC 1200mg daily - Cialis 3-5mg daily - Prami - 0.3mg daily (only with the Tren)



Conclusion : Very much looking forward to running this log for SarmSearch, and get the S4 underway! It should be here pretty soon, heard from a little birdy it shouldn't be long at all. My main goal is to take this 190lbs - 15-18% BF and turn it into 180-190 10-12% BF. Test/Tren/Var/S4 + Perfect Diet + Consistent Training + 8hrs of sleep = Gold

Lets get it!

 

[cybrsage]

In for the win.

 

[Hypnotix]

There may be something else exciting to talk about here soon as well. Will keep everyone posted!

I've decided to for sure wait to begin the diet side of things until after Christmas. I'm slammed at work still, have 0 time between working, sleeping, wrapping, and shopping. Then on the Holidays I'll be around guilt tripping family, and delicious tempting food all day! Besides.. it will give me the weekend to get shit out of my system, prep meals, and get this log started the right way.

I'm very excited for this run.. the 100mg EOD Tren I've been running has changed my body without an ounce of effort on my part.. I work physically all day and that helps a hair (lots of pulling, pushing, lifting, and walking, I get in enough food.. but nothing is dialed in, and I haven't been exercising like normal. I just can't imagine this + Var/S4/Cardio/Strength Training/Perfect Diet/8hrs of sleep! Fucking pumped!

Gotta thank SarmSearch again for hookin the S4 up for me, and in a way saving me from this diet/training complacency.

Note : I've been actively pushing myself at work to get a promotion.. and in all fairness it's eaten a good 2-3 extra hours of my time daily. Motivation is always the hardest thing after working where I work.. and even worse after waking up the next day. I have it in my head now though, and will make this shit happen!

 

[Hypnotix]

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So, my S4 came in! Somebody was very adamant about me having it sooner than later. SarmsSearch hooked it up

Got a big ass book that has every nutritional fact, some recipes, and beyond for every food that I eat! Girlfriend is amazing. Book is already proving to be a valuable resource for me. It preaches organic everything, but beyond that bias it's very informative and fully comprehensive.

Oh and that little knife in the pic, Gerber LMF II, quite possibly my favorite gift this year. Excellent all around blade for camping/survival/looking cool!

Hopefully this pic uploads or it will be totally lame.. lol

 

[Hypnotix]

Diet Plan for this here log will be quite intense. But, it's important I take these next 8-12 weeks very seriously and make the most of the products given to me by SarmsSearch. I don't want to half ass something when someone is doing me a favor, letting me try out a product!

So, I will be shooting for under 30g of Total carbohydrates per day. Fiber aside. This will be difficult, but not impossible. I know a member that stays under 20g daily.

Shooting for an overall caloric intake of 3000 calories. With my job/weight training/cardio this will likely be too little.. but I don't want to avoid cardio anymore and want to have a decent ability to get up and run if I needed to so if need be I will increase my calories before decreasing my cardio. Job is constant, weight training will be constant, cannot change.

PROTEIN : 250g daily. 1000 calories from protein. 30-35% give or take.

NET CARBS : 25g daily. 100 calories. 3-5%

Note : (If my net carbs come from my primary source of fiber, Red Skinned Spanish Peanuts, I will see 3g fiber per 1g of net carbs. This equates to 45g of fiber for 15g of net carbs from the nuts.. and leaves me 10g of play. I could then utilize small bouts of sauces, BBQ, ranch, etc., or eat something quick carbed for PWO) Food for thought

FATS : 210g daily. 1890 calories. 60-65%

Note : (Fats will be a pretty good mix of poly/mono unsat. and sat fats., in ketosis I will utilize MCTs (Medium Chain Triglycerides) for quick energy, and thermogenesis. I will add fattier meats to my daily meals. Whole eggs, bacon, fattier red meat ground and cuts, butter, etc. However, the bulk of my fats will still come from healthier sources, healthy oils, and nuts.


Will be working on the meal by meal plays today, theorycrafting different combinations, and how to make them work within my plan effectively. The first two servings of calories in my day will be Cup of coffee + 1/2 tbsp - 1 tbsp of MCT oil.

Here's what I'm thinking so far :

Wake at (10 - 11 a.m.)
Coffee + MCT upon waking (11 a.m.)
Cardio (30mins) (11:30 - 12:00 a.m.+ p.m.)
Coffee + MCT (1:00 p.m.)
1st meal (3:00 p.m.)
1/2 2nd meal (4:30 - 5:00 p.m.)
1/2 2nd meal (7:00 - 7:10 p.m.)
3rd meal (9:00 - 9:30 p.m.)
1/2 4th meal (11:30 - 11:40 p.m.)
1/2 4th meal (1:30 - 2:00 a.m.)
Workout (2:30 - 3:30 a.m.)
5th Meal/PWO/PRE-SLEEP (3:45 - 4:00a.m.)

If it seems like a lot it is. 10 minute breaks at work don't amount to much eating.. so I have to eat small and quick. Nothing I can do about it. Imagine me trying to do it with 7000 calories. That was a fun time, 5oz chicken, 1/2 cup vegetables, 1.5 pcs bread in 10 minutes was no small feat! Even double that in my 30 min. lunch was hard to do sometimes! You get used to it though, your body eventually NEEDS it.. and you can tell so when you don't eat it all.

 

[Hypnotix]

So I've set up some general choices for protein, the very barebones choices. Lean picks where little fat or extra calories from other macros are present.

Protein Choices (Cooked) 50g protein per meal, 5 main meals per day, 1st - 4th, and PWO.

- 8 oz broiled salmon
- 6 oz baked yellowfin tuna
- 8 oz steamed shrimp
- 8 oz cooked strip steak
- 6 oz roasted chicken
- 8 oz roasted lamb
- 6 oz roasted turkey
- 50g whey isolate
- 30 tbsp liquid egg white

(All choices can be varied throughout my meals, or in combination with one another in a single meal, a single source all day.. anything goes)

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Net Carbs and Fiber - <30 grams Net Carbs / Day & 30-40 grams of Fiber / Day

( I have not gone into great detail with vegetable choices and fibrous choices that have minimal net carbs but will make adjustments as time goes on )

4 cups of steamed broccoli florets / day = 8 grams net carbs, 8 grams fiber, and 4 cups of vegetables. They are also my favorite vegetable. I could eat them and prepare them differently everyday and be happy with it.

10 oz Red Skinned Spanish Peanuts / day = 150g fats (primarily mono/polyunsaturated, some saturated), 10g net carbs (not shitting), 30g fiber (not shitting again!) These things have an amazing profile, and if one can find an unsalted version.. they are extremely hard to beat.

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Fats

Aside from the previously mentioned Spanish Peanuts, which will make up the vast majority of my fat intake.. there are still 60g of remaining fats to be taken in!

1-2 Tbsp - MCT oil w/coffee ((1 cup coffee with 1/2 - 1 tbsp MCT oil) * 2 )

2-3 Tbsp - Coconut oil for cooking

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Pretty basic and easy to formulate plan I came up with. Things can easily change and this is a way for me to eat products that are single macro dominant, lean meat for protein, nuts/oils for fats. The nuts I use just happen to be a killer all-in-one package offering fiber, healthy fats, and proteins.. they taste great, and I love them. So it's win/win.

As an example of the diversity.. I can mix any number of spices into meals, take 10-20 grams of protein away per meal in favor of more fats for a day or two, add fattier meats and remove appropriate amount of lean proteins and other fats in the process to do a temporary replacement. Having a constant calculated intake, allows me to remove numbers, and plug in other numbers in place of. Take foods out, put new foods in that fit the same macronutrient profile overall.

I'm excited. Things are coming together. 3000 calories may be a little low.. hard to say right now, but it won't be anything to add 500-1000 calories into this plan. It's so lean already, more food would be welcomed with open arms.

Keep eyeing the S4 in my cabinet..holding out on running it. Have a few more things to get in order before giving it the honest effort I want to, this was the biggest step, and everything after this will just be consistency

Can't thank SarmsSearch enough for bringing me on to the team, and giving me yet another opportunity to run a log for them!

 

[Megatron28]

How will you know if the effects you observe are attributable to the AAS or to the S4?

 

[Hypnotix]

How will you know if the effects you observe are attributable to the AAS or to the S4?

I will have to stagger the introduction of S4 or Var. Or, remove Var from the equation altogether and run S4 with Tren alone.

I've been on Tren at 100mg EOD since Nov. 15. I've experienced enough at work alone to know the difference between an effect made by that drug and by another. Just so happens my job is like an 8hr workout.. not the Rich Piana kind

 

[Hypnotix]

Everything is lining up. Saying NO to the before new year start-up of this plan. Will be futile at this point..

Too much running around the state, driving, eating out, spending hours at other people's homes. I can hunker down and be impersonal after the new year when people don't expect me to be around every week/weekend eating their delicious and horrible food! Smashing macchiatos every day on the way out!

I am developing strategy though. Planning is a big part of everything for me... helps me stay true to anything I do. Putting hours into a plan and making it easy for me to log details later, gives me many minutes worth of time every day to do other things.. like relax, prepare meals, catch up on chores, etc.

Look's like I'm one of those resolution turds this year! Oh well, too stoked to try this S4 from SarmsSearch to care about a few days, I want everything to be juuuuusstt right!

 

[Hypnotix]

Training plan in order.

Looking to experiment with Bryan Haycock's HST. Hypertrophy Specific Training.

It can be complicated at first glance but done properly and tracking everything along the way may yield some incredible results.

Hypertrophy is a well known term around here.. we all preach either Hypertrophy training, Strength Training, or a mix of both. Tracking everything to gradually increase weights, reps, ranges, time under tension, controlled reps, rest periods, etc. Everything is monitored to get the best results in the most efficient manner.

In HST.. relative to all training methods, it's as far over toward hypertrophy as one can get. It is built in a way to maximize growth, but at the sacrifice of excessive strength/power. Just as a true strength or power training plan, will yield less actual lean muscle growth but stress the CNS, joints, ligaments, tendons, in a way to maximize gains in strength and power!

So, without further ado, I will paste in the details of the plan, and how I will approach it in the beginning and change it as I progress further with it. This is literally posted exactly the same in my thread about the subject, but I feel it necessary to have within this log as well as it may get more traffic in the long run and provide a better picture to my followers.

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Principles of HST

Mechanical Load: Tension loading of muscles through exercise is a prerequisite for muscle hypertrophy.[2]

Chronic Stimulation: These stimuli must be applied with sufficient frequency. Recovery can take place unabated even if the muscle is loaded again in 48 hours.[3]

Acute responses to training, such as increased rates of protein accretion, return to normal in about 36 hours. Given these facts, waiting more than 48 hours between bouts of training for a particular muscle is a waste of time.

Progressive Load: Over time, the tissue adapts and becomes resistant to the effects of mechanical load. To remain effective, the load must be steadily increased over time at a pace which exceeds the rate of adaptation.

Strategic Deconditioning: When the load has been increased at the appropriate pace for long enough, the weights either become intolerable, or the risk of injury becomes too great. Since the load can no longer be increased, to continue hypertrophy, the adaptation to the load must be reversed. To accomplish this, after the highest weights are used, training is halted for a period to allow the muscles to "Decondition" and allow hypertrophic response to training once again. This process happens after the end of a 6-8 week "cycle" and can last from 9-14 days preceding a new "cycle"

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Other concepts featured in HST

Utilizing lactic acid as a stimulus for tendon repair/health: Periodically exercising at higher reps produces lactic acid which prepares the muscles and tendons for future heavy loads.[4] Compound exercises are used to maximize the effects.

Progressively Adjusting reps to accommodate Progressive Load: HST suggests that you gradually reduce the number of reps per set to accommodate the ever increasing load. Many common "HST" programs start with a 15 rep, 2 week "semi-cycle" that is performed over six workouts with the sixth workout being at the exercisers maximum 15-rep weight. The next semi-cycle, reps are reduced to 10, then 5, finally ending with a repeat of the 5 rep cycle, or eccentric repetitions. Each semi-cycle adds to equal one full 8 week cycle.

Low volume per exercise (average volume per week): HST suggests that you limit the number of sets per exercise per workout to 1 or 2, based on evidence that sets beyond the first effective set do little to contribute to hypertrophy.[5] Instead of doing 6 sets of a bench press in one workout once or twice per week, those sets are spread over three workouts in the course of a week. This accommodates the concept of chronic load by allowing for exercise every two days or so.

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References[edit]

Jump up ^ Haycock, Bryan (2002). "HSN: About Us". Official Website of HST. Hypertrophy-Specific Nutrition. Retrieved 2008-02-13.
Jump up ^ "Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy". Muscle Physiology. University of California, San Diego. 2000. Retrieved 2006-11-02.
Jump up ^ Nosaka, K. and Newton, M. (2002-02-16). "Repeated eccentric exercise bouts do not exacerbate muscle damage and repair". J Strength Cond Res (Exercise and Sports Science) 16 (1): 117***8211;22. doi:10.1519/1533-4287(2002)016<0117:reebdn>2.0.co;2. PMID 11834116.
Jump up ^ [Citation Needed]
Jump up ^ Hass CJ, Garzarella L, de Hoyos D, Pollock ML. (January 2000). "Single versus multiple sets in long-term recreational weightlifters". Medicine and science in sports and exercise (Medicine and science in sports and exercise) 32 (1): 235***8211;42. doi:10.1097/00005768-200001000-00035. PMID 10647555.

Some Minor Principles of Hypertrophy-Specific Training, by Charles Ridgely

Setting up a Hypertrophy-Specific Training? Cycle: Part One, by Charles Ridgely

Hypertrophy Specific Training (HST), at Fred Colbourne's CombatAging.com

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I will follow the original 5, 10, 15 format. However, after a few "cycles" (cool they refer to them as that)... I will likely progress to the more advanced method (Incrementally raising reps by 2 every 2 week cycle)

Very excited to partake in this endeavor for SarmsSearch, get my mojo back, and fuckin kill it in 2016!

 

[jozifp103]

So far I've tried just about every product that Sarmssearch offers....and I still think s4 takes the cake. It just hits so fast and hard...it's the only sarm that I actually felt a kick from. Osta and lgd are great, but gradual. S4 is almost instant and the strength and stamina hit you right away.

 

[Hypnotix]

So far I've tried just about every product that Sarmssearch offers....and I still think s4 takes the cake. It just hits so fast and hard...it's the only sarm that I actually felt a kick from. Osta and lgd are great, but gradual. S4 is almost instant and the strength and stamina hit you right away.

Thanks for the insight! I begin dosing today. 50mg/day x 8 weeks.

SarmsSearch S4, AML Tren, Ketogenic diet, Hypertrophy Training! Let's get it!!

 

[Yjyankee]

I don't know how I missed this!! Incredible details dude! I'm one my 2nd week of the S4. Was sick last week and out of the gym. Vascularity still improved!!

 

[Hypnotix]

I don't know how I missed this!! Incredible details dude! I'm one my 2nd week of the S4. Was sick last week and out of the gym. Vascularity still improved!!

Thanks man! Had a good first day back at work, and a great first day back on clean eating! Full Keto to boot.

S4 went down fine, tasted similar in chemical-ness to that of GW-50. Doesn't bother me really. Just want to get them results.. I hear strength, hardness, stamina, and vascularity! That's some good stuff, I'll take 1 of 4 and be happy. We shall see!

I've also eliminated all stimulants throughout my work day. Having my 2 cups of coffee prior to work + MCT oil.. but besides that I stayed clean of stimulants for a good 11hrs+ now. Feel like I will start sleeping better without the confliction. My only problem is come workout time. Getting pumped to workout after work without any help, it will be rough.. but I think quality rest per day is more important than being a demon in the gym every day. I'd bet after a week or two my body will adjust and be fine without so much caffeine anyhow. Again, we shall see!

Pushing workouts to Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday.

Off days being Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday.

This minor change-up will be more cohesive with my overtime schedule at work and make it much more likely that I don't skip a day. Off days will primarily be rest/stretching I'm thinking ( I have quite a high TDEE with my job, and old workout schedule ), adding more rest will keep my calorie loss more controllable and make it easier for me to eat relatively normal in the process. Whilst bulking or cutting I will add.

Luckily with the HST program, you hit a full weeks sets per muscle group spread across 3 days. So it is perfectly fine on all levels.

Anyway, thanks for reading. Taking second dose of S4 for the day here in just a bit (splitting 25mg before work, 25mg after work/before workout).

Day 1 down.

 

[Hypnotix]

Ready to kill it in the gym tonight!

Feel good today, very active. Picked up around the house, put holiday stuff away, prepped meals, caught up dishes! Yeah, everything is in line, I will have no excuses after work, Gym or Die trying

 

[Hypnotix]

Yeah, wow.. that was an intense comeback.

Condensing a weeks worth of exercises into single workouts, and then splitting the sets of those exercises across 3 days.. makes for three, 1 to 1 and 1/2 hour workouts.

Today and for 5 more training days, I'll be under a 15 rep x 2 week "semi-cycle".

Here is the training day

Legs - Squats x 15 ( 2 sets ) OR Leg Press x 15 ( 2 sets )
- Leg Curls x 15 ( 2 sets )
- Calf Raises x 15 ( 2 sets )

Chest - Slight Incline x 15 ( 2 sets )
- Slight Decline x 15 ( 2 sets ) OR Dips x 15 ( 2 sets )

Back - Chins (W&N Grip) x 15 ( 2 sets ) OR Lat PullDowns (W&N Grip) x 15 ( 2 sets )
- Seated or Bent Over Rows x 15 ( 2 sets )

Shoulders - Overhead Press OR Seated Press x 15 ( 2 sets )
- Lateral Raises (REAR) x 15 ( 2 sets )

Biceps - Alternate ANY curling movements x 15 ( 2 sets ) * I prefer Supinated Dumbbell Curls primarily and Hammers as an Alt.

Traps - Shrugs x 15 ( 2 sets )

Triceps - Push Downs OR Lying Extensions x 15 ( 2 sets )

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So, it took me my first pass through about an hour and a half. I suspect it will take me a good hour, maybe hour fifteen next time. I was not prepared jotting shit down quickly in the gym and going over the plan with my girl.

It will be easier next time, weights will be dialed in, and we'll know right where to go and how much to put on

Considering it was my first day back.. I was having a great time today. Love being back already.. and starting at 15 reps keeps weights relatively light. This lets me get used to it on my joints and setting up properly for the bigger lifts before putting on anything real heavy!

It also seemed like those 2 sets of each.. were just enough to get that pump associated with higher rep sets.. every single exercise was great like that..

I'm curious to see what 10 rep weeks and 5 rep weeks will be like in that manner too.

Anyway, Great workout, great day, diet is good, haven't missed a pin or a dose.. (not long yet.. but it's good for what inconsistency I'm coming off of) and I'm happy!

Dosing SarmsSearch's S4 here, eating, showering and maybe eating again. Thanks for reading!

 

[Yjyankee]

Damn, dude, killer workout!! Very interesting!

 

[bigben66]

I'm sorry man, I'm totally stumped... you call this a SarmSearch thread, logging progress on using S4...

But you are running Tren from one of the best labs around!

The results are bound to be outstanding, I do not physically see how you can attribute any of these gains to a SARM?

You mentioned the "strength, hardness, vascularity and stamina" of S4 - they are coincidentally the results that Tren brings.

I like you man, and you run very detailed and thorough logs for sure - but I really can't see how this one makes sense!

 

[Roush]

Thanks for the insight! I begin dosing today. 50mg/day x 8 weeks.

SarmsSearch S4, AML Tren, Ketogenic diet, Hypertrophy Training! Let's get it!!

I'm with Ben on this one and pretty stumped on how this can be a sarms log. Tren is about a billion times more anabolic then any sarm . none of the results will be coming from the sarm, tren is gonna dominate the show.

Its like eating a steak and putting some salt and butter on top, and then saying it's the salt and butter that contain the protein.
tren is the steak, the sarm is just salt and butter (it will provide nothing).

I must be hungry using food analogies here.

 

[Hypnotix]

I'm sorry man, I'm totally stumped... you call this a SarmSearch thread, logging progress on using S4...

But you are running Tren from one of the best labs around!

The results are bound to be outstanding, I do not physically see how you can attribute any of these gains to a SARM?

You mentioned the "strength, hardness, vascularity and stamina" of S4 - they are coincidentally the results that Tren brings.

I like you man, and you run very detailed and thorough logs for sure - but I really can't see how this one makes sense!

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. And, I understand most run standalone SARM cycles to ONLY highlight their effects.

There are others running S4 alone right this second. If you want to know about how it works by itself, go read their log.

If you want to know if there are any extreme positive or negative sides associated with the use of S4 + Tren, or the synergy of the two, or even compare your results with Tren only to my results with Tren and S4.. read mine.

I have another bottle of S4 as well. Perhaps I will bridge with it, and log the effects I continue experiencing after Tren has been removed. Still this is 8-10 weeks out.

If you don't like the log.. or you think it's not morally sound or whatever, don't read it.

Roush, we can pretend Tren is steak. And S4 is salt.

Steak is the meal, the body, the actual food. But Salt is the enhancement. Steak is still good without salt, but it's arguably not as tasty.

Tren is my steak, S4 is my salt. No one's claiming salt is going to do more than the steak for my body, but everyone is missing that salt still does something for steak.

Log will continue as normal now. Stay tuned or leave. This is for me and my goals.. SarmsSearch gave me an opportunity to be a little more aggressive in hitting those goals. There will be plenty of time in between for standalones.

Thanks for reading!