Anti Es during a cycle?
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natty
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well i may not be billy but heres how i see it from a technical aspect.
When you are training naturally you grow with a balance of testosterone and estrogen, so while on cycle you are elevating the testosterone while leaving the estrogen at the same level it was, this throws the body out of homeostasis hormonally and thus to correct this your body will produce more estrogen. Now, by doing so you may begin to see the side effects of elevated estrogen levels *this may not occur in which case you are less sensitive to estrogen, a good thing* However Estrogen is nessacary for growth as it helps us to retain water and other delightful properties.
Anti-e's inhibit the bodies ability to produce excessive estrogen thru the two means most people know, Aromatase Inhabitation and Estrogen Receptor Binding/antagonism. The reason we do this is so the body does not produce MORE estrogen then testosterone and by letting testosterone in the majority to do what it needs which leads to more protein synthesis,etc and thus more growth.
It is my opinion that if you were to completely block out estrogen as a whole instead of neutralize excessive estrogen you would be inhibiting growth because without the combination of the two hormones growth is limited.
The way in which you use Anti-e's is entirely up to how your body responds to excessive estrogen, if you have had signs of gyno before and needed nolvadex to calm it down then it might be a good idea to run Arimidex or Femara or Aromasin. .5mg ed seems to be popular for Armidex, 2.5mg ed of Femara and 25mg of Aromasin every 3-5 days. If you have never had problems with estrogen in the past then these may not be required at all in which case having Nolvadex on hand is all that would be nessacary..
Cliff notes: Test is great but estrogen is nessacary in some amount.
When you are training naturally you grow with a balance of testosterone and estrogen, so while on cycle you are elevating the testosterone while leaving the estrogen at the same level it was, this throws the body out of homeostasis hormonally and thus to correct this your body will produce more estrogen. Now, by doing so you may begin to see the side effects of elevated estrogen levels *this may not occur in which case you are less sensitive to estrogen, a good thing* However Estrogen is nessacary for growth as it helps us to retain water and other delightful properties.
Anti-e's inhibit the bodies ability to produce excessive estrogen thru the two means most people know, Aromatase Inhabitation and Estrogen Receptor Binding/antagonism. The reason we do this is so the body does not produce MORE estrogen then testosterone and by letting testosterone in the majority to do what it needs which leads to more protein synthesis,etc and thus more growth.
It is my opinion that if you were to completely block out estrogen as a whole instead of neutralize excessive estrogen you would be inhibiting growth because without the combination of the two hormones growth is limited.
The way in which you use Anti-e's is entirely up to how your body responds to excessive estrogen, if you have had signs of gyno before and needed nolvadex to calm it down then it might be a good idea to run Arimidex or Femara or Aromasin. .5mg ed seems to be popular for Armidex, 2.5mg ed of Femara and 25mg of Aromasin every 3-5 days. If you have never had problems with estrogen in the past then these may not be required at all in which case having Nolvadex on hand is all that would be nessacary..
Cliff notes: Test is great but estrogen is nessacary in some amount.
Mudge
Community Veteran
I have no gyno problems.
One thing that I wonder though, is it even possible to block estrogen completely/to a large degree, without the body just trying to keep upping the ante? In other words, since the body will do what it can to obtain balance in every aspect of life, I can see blocking over the short term but not the long term, I dont understand how it would work.
One thing that I wonder though, is it even possible to block estrogen completely/to a large degree, without the body just trying to keep upping the ante? In other words, since the body will do what it can to obtain balance in every aspect of life, I can see blocking over the short term but not the long term, I dont understand how it would work.
Sensei Miagi
New member
hmmmm, not gonna touch this one.........the way i see it, if youve never had a gyno problem, you dont need anti e's (but of course keep em on hand in case a problem occurs) not the answer your looking for, but i just kept typing........sorry
Billy_Bathgate
Community Veteran, Chemistry Guru
Here are some of my quick thoughts. Im in admist writing some detailed work up on it, so Ill leave ya hangin for that....
1) Total or low enough estrogen is not going to happen unless your a jackass with your doses. Ex 30pg/dl E2 pre-cycle, then 1000mg Test...new level 200pg/dl. Say we take 25mg Aromasin ED, that will bring us to a theortical of oh say 50pg/dl...sufficeint.
2) Nolva. I take it, I dont care if it reduced my igf by 20% big deal. Im on a gram or two of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) so oh well. It helps out the cholesterol levels and helps even more against gyno.
IMO 25mg Aromasin = 2mg ARi = 3.75mg Let
Aromasin is special. It can be taken up to E3D since the effects are permanent (suicidal inhibition).
I dont like Let at all. It increases aromatic protien enzymes, which means when you come off it you have more estrogen converting that when you started...not good, but maybe if you follow up with nolva.
My guidline
Test
<500mg/wk 25mg Aroma E3D + 10mg Nolva
<750mg/wk 25mg Aroma EOD + 10mg Nolva
<1000mg/wk 25mg ARoma ED + 10mg Nolva
Thats just my staple. I dont like being fat and bloated. I would rather be healthy than high BP, gyno, bloated etc.
1) Total or low enough estrogen is not going to happen unless your a jackass with your doses. Ex 30pg/dl E2 pre-cycle, then 1000mg Test...new level 200pg/dl. Say we take 25mg Aromasin ED, that will bring us to a theortical of oh say 50pg/dl...sufficeint.
2) Nolva. I take it, I dont care if it reduced my igf by 20% big deal. Im on a gram or two of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) so oh well. It helps out the cholesterol levels and helps even more against gyno.
IMO 25mg Aromasin = 2mg ARi = 3.75mg Let
Aromasin is special. It can be taken up to E3D since the effects are permanent (suicidal inhibition).
I dont like Let at all. It increases aromatic protien enzymes, which means when you come off it you have more estrogen converting that when you started...not good, but maybe if you follow up with nolva.
My guidline
Test
<500mg/wk 25mg Aroma E3D + 10mg Nolva
<750mg/wk 25mg Aroma EOD + 10mg Nolva
<1000mg/wk 25mg ARoma ED + 10mg Nolva
Thats just my staple. I dont like being fat and bloated. I would rather be healthy than high BP, gyno, bloated etc.
Billy_Bathgate
Community Veteran, Chemistry Guru
Nah your right..
I mean anything below and including 500mg/wk test Id take 25mg Arom E3D + 10mg Nolva ED
I mean anything below and including 500mg/wk test Id take 25mg Arom E3D + 10mg Nolva ED
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