Any vets know the proper protocal to taper off test?

[SkinnyOutOfShapeActor]

I know a lot of people see the taper as outdated but I believe in it.

I did a test cycle a few years back and just cut the dose in half every week after week 10 and it worked without much sides.

I'm doing a 10 week/500 mg of Test Cyp this time.

I want to do a taper and run a serm (Nolva) as well.

What would be the proper protocal?

Thanks.

 

[Cobra Strike]

its pointless to run nolva while still on test....what kind of sides would you get from just stopping test vs taper?? Ive never gotten sides from stopping test. I have never tapered either...whats really the point of tapering anyway...either way the test has to cleave out of your system. I know tapering works but so does just stopping and running a pct

 

[SkinnyOutOfShapeActor]

its pointless to run nolva while still on test....what kind of sides would you get from just stopping test vs taper?? Ive never gotten sides from stopping test. I have never tapered either...whats really the point of tapering anyway...either way the test has to cleave out of your system. I know tapering works but so does just stopping and running a pct

I've read a lot of pro's do it successfully and don't lose their gains as easily. Doctors taper patients off a lot of drugs it has the same idea.

The body can still be shut down at as little as 100 mg of test a week though so it's difficult.

You have to find the right protocal.

I think if you're going to run a serm it's done after the taper I'm not sure that's why I'm looking for advice.

 

[coltmc45]

The only time sides have gotten worse for me is if I tirated up and didn't stay even in doses the whole cycle. I think tapering is outdated and it's pointless. You're natty test is shut down if you're pinning 200mg a wk or 2 grams a week.

I'm confused anyways. Didnt you say in your first post about your cycle that you've never touched a weight before and that this would be your first cycle???

 

[Cobra Strike]

I've read a lot of pro's do it successfully and don't lose their gains as easily. Doctors taper patients off a lot of drugs it has the same idea.

The body can still be shut down at as little as 100 mg of test a week though so it's difficult.

You have to find the right protocal.

I think if you're going to run a serm it's done after the taper I'm not sure that's why I'm looking for advice.

Ya I see the reasoning behind tapering but I dont believe its necessary.

the reason you cannot run a serm while on test or before its cleaved is because serms are only meant to try and kick start your hpta...its not even garanteed to work.....test and other aas shut down your hpta....a serm is not strong enough to kick start the hpta while it is being shut down...hence its pointless

 

[SkinnyOutOfShapeActor]

The only time sides have gotten worse for me is if I tirated up and didn't stay even in doses the whole cycle. I think tapering is outdated and it's pointless. You're natty test is shut down if you're pinning 200mg a wk or 2 grams a week.

I'm confused anyways. Didnt you say in your first post about your cycle that you've never touched a weight before and that this would be your first cycle???

No I didn't actually. Read through the thread again for clarification.

This is my second cycle. I put on 20 lbs during my first cycle but did not stay commited to working out afterwards for a few years and lost it.

Natty test is supressed at anything above 100 mg of test a week.

When tapering you go below 100... 75... 50 ect.

 

[coltmc45]

As you can see I copied and pasted it and made your own words bold so maybe you have some clarification and might be able to see why I came to the conclusion this would be your first cycle (since you said in your own words you worked out for 6 months years ago and that this would be your first cycle)

Alright, I know the protocal that people like myself who have been uncommitted to the gym their entire lives get blasted on forums because juicing is stupid unless you have built up your maximum natural base, but my situation is a little different and I've done a lot of research on what I should be using.

I realize AAS is just a small part of it and a tool, but I need all the help I can get!

Here is the deal. I'm not a bodybuilder, I'm a 31 year old actor, and I have 5 months to completely transform my body for an acting job in an independant film. I don't need to become huge, but I have the typical lazy skinny fat body. My face is a little pudgy, neck chest and arm, legs thin. A little bit of bloat in the belly.


I worked out and ate well for one period of time in my life for 6 months years back, and I saw good results, but I simply need more and much faster.

My goals: I'd like larger arms, chest, shoulders, neck and carrying less fat in my face and stomach.

I don't want to be huge. Just a little more ripped and bigger in the right places.

I have seen people make such transformations on single cycles of AAS on test and have done a lot of research. Quite simply: I will get to my goals lot quicker and more easily on test than I will without it. Time is my obstacle here.

I don't need people to tell me not to do it because I've already thought long and hard about it, and have decided 100% to do it. This acting job means a lot to my career.

I've already bought my gear after a lot of research.

My first cycle is as follows:

(I've decided to keep it simple)

12 weeks test enanthate. (I have enough for 15 weeks in case I need to make adjustments)

Week 1: 1 G Front Load
Weeks 2-12: 500 mg

Aromasin 10mg every 3 days if needed

clomid/Nolva PCT

I feel my body should respond very fast because not only will I have the AAS, but also the benefit of eating better + the quick positive change everyone gets after just beginning to work out.


This is very important to me so I plan on being 100% committed at the gym and with my diet.

In order to attain my goals, which are not to be huge, but bigger in the right places, a little leaner, and overall prettier and more chisled, I was wondering if some of the vets in here could help me out as far as advice in terms of diet and in the gym.

Thanks for any help in advance.
Last edited by SkinnyOutOfShapeActor; 08-15-2011 at 08:59 PM.
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I guess I was mistaken about the never touching a weight before part....

 

[SkinnyOutOfShapeActor]

Which is probably why I told you to read the thread over.

Maybe you missed my post a few notches down from that one.

I don't think I need to bold anything because it's pretty self explanatory.

Alright brutal honesty,

That six month period I was talking about, I did a cycle of steroids and put on about 20 lbs. Same cycle I'm thinking about now, but this time I'm gonna front load it. I obviously put on some water, some fat, some muscle. At the end of the cycle I basically tapered off old school and didn't run a proper post cycle therapy (pct). I lost most of that size two months after tapering but I got good gains and was much bigger for 6 months. I just worked the major muscle groups, didn't overtrain, lifted as heavy as I could everytime with few reps, ate a lot protein and I responded really well to the steroids with next to no side effects other than losing most of the muscle. Some people just do.

So this time I want to do that again but more educated this time.

Seriously what the hell is with this site and the eltist attitude around here?

I'm asking for basic information so that people who are interested in tapering such as myself can find the correct protocal.

My experience level to you or post history is not relevant.

 

[coltmc45]

My attitude comes from a bunch of people that post on this site daily with their bullshit that they have no clue about. I didn't read your entire thread so therefore I didn't see that you had ran a cycle in the past. I'm the type of person to call bullshit if I feel it's necessary. I apologize if I came off as a dick but stick around and you'll see why some of us can get a little short sometimes (and no it's not from the gear). Once again, I apologize for coming across like a dick. I should of read your entire thread and that's my fault.

As far as the tapering goes, if you feel it worked for you in the past and wanna give it a shot again go for it. Personally I think a solid pct with an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) blast would be better to recover but I've never tapered so I can't speak on that. I guess the best way to know if the tapering works for you is get bloodwork done after pct.

Just make sure you run proper pct this time (and looks like you're going to) that should help you keep your gains you get from this cycle as long as you stick with the diet and training.