anyone here ever messed with DNP?
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halfwit
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I'd stay away from T3 and clen if delving into the world of DNP. VERY VERY small doses should be taken to see how your (or her) body reacts to it. You have to remember that DNP is a poison and can kill you if not taken seriously or researched properly. Keep doing research on it before you start taking it, please.
riprockwell
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As a former DNP user, it is just straight retarded. If your friend needs help, set her up with 3J in the diet forum and he can get her diet on track for her. And if she is absolutely persistent about running something, T3 would be a better option and a lot safer. Look at the composition of DNP. It is straight poison. There is no getting around that bro.
psizzle_8
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T3 is nothing to take lightly either. You will be manipulating your own natural thyroid hormone production. As women we really need to be careful.
I agree with the 3J diet idea. Don't resort to drugs just yet.
Supps on the other hand might not be a bad idea. Check the women's forum, I've just posted a special fat loss stack.
I agree with the 3J diet idea. Don't resort to drugs just yet.
Supps on the other hand might not be a bad idea. Check the women's forum, I've just posted a special fat loss stack.
Curious your thoughts why it is "straight retarded"?
Fat bastard
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I tried DNP before, and I would not wish the sides "mainly psychological" on my worst enemies.. and yes, it is a poison... I would never use it again...
riprockwell
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Like stated, it's straight poison. I still wonder what permanent damage I did to my organs from running it. People amp up the fat loss benefits. Sure you can lose a good pound per day. However, you are literally sweating your ass off and feeling like death. From what I personally noticed, once DNP is stopped and you keep chugging water, you actually put back on some water weight. So in 12 days of pure hell where you could lose 12lbs, after discontinuation, you are looking at losing 6-8lbs of fat loss in 12 days. Being that you can get some T3 and go on a low carb/keto diet, you could pretty much get the same results without damaging your bodies. Tons of dudes on here have stated they are going to run DNP and yet you never seen end result pics. It's because it is not that spectacular.
Lastly, who is capping the DNP for the user?? A user could think the capsule is 100mg per cap and it actually be 200mg per cap. Too much DNP could put you in the grave. There isn't much room for error like there is for testosterone, etc.
I agree about DNP being a compound that you REALLY have to trust the person capping it...hence why I'd cap it myself, if I were to try it, and only measure it with a very accurate scale($$$).
I appreciate the input as DNP is one of few compounds I've never tried but have always been curious. I like t3 but to be honest that makes me worry as well because I feel like when you make your thyroid work on overdrive for an extended period, as t3 takes awhile to really work, I feel like I'm "cooking" my thyroid.
Never ran DNP, so I can't make a direct comparison, but t3 makes me BURN up as well, especially when ran over 75mcg a day, just sweating all day.
riprockwell
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Yeah there is no worry about cooking your thyroid. There have been studies done that show that the thyroid won't be shut down permanently. Most bounce back within 4-6 weeks and none have been permanently shut down. Just haven't seen it happen. Keep in mind that in this study, patients were given T3 for 20-30 years straight. If you are going to cook anything, it is going to be your organs for DNP. T3 does make me sweat like crazy but in conjunction with a good diet, it is very effective and manageable. DNP made me miserable. I am not kidding. I was running it in mid december. Had 3 big fans pointed at my body while I was sleeping at night and would wake up in the middle of the night have have to take my pillow to the bath tub and literally ring it out with sweat. I went to get a haircut and was pouring sweat. The lady wanted to stop cutting my hair it was so bad. Then sitting in my college class and wearing a T-shirt and my shirt was drenched and I was pouring sweat off my face and head. People were looking at me like WTF. Plus the lethargic feeling limited my work outs as I felt like death. The best part was the allergic reaction and ending up in the hospital. Good times!! lol.
carverelli
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fixed bro, yur welcome!!
Thades, Rip is absolutely correct about the T3. The study he is referring to involved people who were originally diagnosed as hypothyroid and put on thyroid medication. After years and years of use they discontinued treatment and thyroid function came back in 2wks I believe. Jimithing and I referenced this study also in another thread. If you want to see the study look up Guay et al. I believe is what Jimi said it was under. I have before and after bloods showing my thyroid function returning to basking after running T3 for around 10wks which isn't long by any stretch of the imagination.
Regarding that study, I stuck it here way back in 2007 when I was moderating. Here's a copy of the post:
Default Ending the myth that long term T3 use can damage the thyroid gland
One of the most persistent myths in bodybuilding is that T3 use has to be limited in time and/or dose to prevent damage to the thyroid gland. You see bros posting about non-existent people who are supposedly on T3 forever because they used too much of it and destroyed their thyroid gland. NONSENSE!
Nandi (RIP) researched and wrote a great article on T3, which I have stuck in the articles section. Please read it.
This is what I consider the most important myth-busting part of Nandi's article:
Like the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, the thyroid gland is under negative feedback control. When t3 levels go up, TSH secretion is suppressed. This is the mechanism whereby exogenous thyroid hormone suppresses natural thyroid hormone production. There is a difference though between the way anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production and the way t3 suppresses the thyroid. With steroids, the longer and heavier the cycle is, the longer your natural testosterone is suppressed. This is not the case with exogenous thyroid hormone.
An early study that looked at thyroid function and recovery under the influence of exogenous thyroid hormone was undertaken by Greer (2). He looked at patients who were misdiagnosed as being hypothyroid and put on thyroid hormone replacement for as long as 30 years. When the medication was withdrawn, their thyroids quickly returned to normal.
Here is a remark about Greer's classic paper from a later author:
"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3)
These results have been subsequently verified in several studies. (3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland.
I'm going to stick this here for a while also, because it is an important point.
I've done DNP, and think that while it can be dangerous its perils are overblown. I did some low dose long cycles of 30+ days at 200 mgs. per day. It was very effective and the sides were very manageable.
Default Ending the myth that long term T3 use can damage the thyroid gland
One of the most persistent myths in bodybuilding is that T3 use has to be limited in time and/or dose to prevent damage to the thyroid gland. You see bros posting about non-existent people who are supposedly on T3 forever because they used too much of it and destroyed their thyroid gland. NONSENSE!
Nandi (RIP) researched and wrote a great article on T3, which I have stuck in the articles section. Please read it.
This is what I consider the most important myth-busting part of Nandi's article:
Like the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, the thyroid gland is under negative feedback control. When t3 levels go up, TSH secretion is suppressed. This is the mechanism whereby exogenous thyroid hormone suppresses natural thyroid hormone production. There is a difference though between the way anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production and the way t3 suppresses the thyroid. With steroids, the longer and heavier the cycle is, the longer your natural testosterone is suppressed. This is not the case with exogenous thyroid hormone.
An early study that looked at thyroid function and recovery under the influence of exogenous thyroid hormone was undertaken by Greer (2). He looked at patients who were misdiagnosed as being hypothyroid and put on thyroid hormone replacement for as long as 30 years. When the medication was withdrawn, their thyroids quickly returned to normal.
Here is a remark about Greer's classic paper from a later author:
"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3)
These results have been subsequently verified in several studies. (3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland.
I'm going to stick this here for a while also, because it is an important point.
I've done DNP, and think that while it can be dangerous its perils are overblown. I did some low dose long cycles of 30+ days at 200 mgs. per day. It was very effective and the sides were very manageable.
Mrrippedzilla
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I apologise in advance if my response is too long, it's just very frustrating to hear the nonsense most people refer to when it comes to DNP.
First to address the OP's original question:
If she is going to take DNP the dosage should be based on her weight since you're looking for 2mg/kg for a low, safe dose that will still give her great results. DO NOT; I repeat DO NOT increase the dose because of her measurements or what the mirror shows. DNP will cause bloat/water retention, which goes away a week or so after you come of it.
Avoid anything that will increase your temperature further; this includes clen & ephedrine. T3 is also not required on DNP unless you plan on running it for a long time (months not weeks) as usually by the time your thyroid output starts to be effected, your already coming off it.
As far as being safe goes, water intake is the most important thing. If you look at the horror stories about DNP, the deaths are always a result of dehydration. She needs to drink gallons of water. This is not a joke - GALLONS.
I highly recommend searching for conciliators posts on here. I followed his advice on necessary supplements and saw great results. Warning: cataracts are a bigger risk for women on dnp than men, so vitamin C supplementation is vital.
Now, onto some of the rubbish you hear from uneducated individuals:
The argument of "DNP is a poison!" is completely meaningless. Most people who make this argument with nothing else to contribute are usually talking complete broscience. DNP is a metabolic poison, it messes with your metabolism, ATP levels among other things to allow you to burn more fat than physically possible. In other words, to be a magic pill for fat loss it HAS to be a metabolic poison.
There is a 2011 article from the American College of Toxicology that includes a list of deaths with DNP a contributing factor. Anyone who can find it I urge you to read/upload it. There has only been around 10 deaths in the last 20 years related to DNP. More importantly, the deaths were due to either a) severe dehydration, b) a specific reaction unique to that individual or c) OVERDOSE. I believe in one example they found 3g of dnp in the body - ridiculous to say the least. To summarise, control your dosage, binge on water and any sign the side effects are too much - stop.
Also, comparing t3/diets/clen/albuterol to dnp is like comparing a natural bulk to an AAS aided version; completely different league. To say other things will get you the same results in the same timeframe is idiotic. The fat I lost on dnp with a small deficit (15%) in 3 weeks was far higher than what I lost on a psmf (very low calorie) diet combined with clen in the same timeframe. Nothing comes close.
Now I can completely understand trying to protect the general public from DNP because, frankly, their stupidity gives our community a bad reputation. They hear "higher dose = higher fat loss" & ignore everything else. The parents then blame the Internet for making it too easy to find DNP. Maybe from this standpoint it's probably better to make the public believe it is a dangerous poison leading to guaranteed death. But that's a different argument for a different time.
First to address the OP's original question:
If she is going to take DNP the dosage should be based on her weight since you're looking for 2mg/kg for a low, safe dose that will still give her great results. DO NOT; I repeat DO NOT increase the dose because of her measurements or what the mirror shows. DNP will cause bloat/water retention, which goes away a week or so after you come of it.
Avoid anything that will increase your temperature further; this includes clen & ephedrine. T3 is also not required on DNP unless you plan on running it for a long time (months not weeks) as usually by the time your thyroid output starts to be effected, your already coming off it.
As far as being safe goes, water intake is the most important thing. If you look at the horror stories about DNP, the deaths are always a result of dehydration. She needs to drink gallons of water. This is not a joke - GALLONS.
I highly recommend searching for conciliators posts on here. I followed his advice on necessary supplements and saw great results. Warning: cataracts are a bigger risk for women on dnp than men, so vitamin C supplementation is vital.
Now, onto some of the rubbish you hear from uneducated individuals:
The argument of "DNP is a poison!" is completely meaningless. Most people who make this argument with nothing else to contribute are usually talking complete broscience. DNP is a metabolic poison, it messes with your metabolism, ATP levels among other things to allow you to burn more fat than physically possible. In other words, to be a magic pill for fat loss it HAS to be a metabolic poison.
There is a 2011 article from the American College of Toxicology that includes a list of deaths with DNP a contributing factor. Anyone who can find it I urge you to read/upload it. There has only been around 10 deaths in the last 20 years related to DNP. More importantly, the deaths were due to either a) severe dehydration, b) a specific reaction unique to that individual or c) OVERDOSE. I believe in one example they found 3g of dnp in the body - ridiculous to say the least. To summarise, control your dosage, binge on water and any sign the side effects are too much - stop.
Also, comparing t3/diets/clen/albuterol to dnp is like comparing a natural bulk to an AAS aided version; completely different league. To say other things will get you the same results in the same timeframe is idiotic. The fat I lost on dnp with a small deficit (15%) in 3 weeks was far higher than what I lost on a psmf (very low calorie) diet combined with clen in the same timeframe. Nothing comes close.
Now I can completely understand trying to protect the general public from DNP because, frankly, their stupidity gives our community a bad reputation. They hear "higher dose = higher fat loss" & ignore everything else. The parents then blame the Internet for making it too easy to find DNP. Maybe from this standpoint it's probably better to make the public believe it is a dangerous poison leading to guaranteed death. But that's a different argument for a different time.
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