article: Why prolactin can ruin your day

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I could try to do that seeing how she knows my entire medical history and is my primary care physician. I may just tell her that I've been having some issues with the big man downstairs and was reading that cabergoline could actually be something that I could benefit from to get my sex drive back to normal. I'll figure something out.

What's wrong with ordering cabergoline thats in research liquid form? I have some of that on hand right now. I could order some from aurapharm though, either way. I heard the liquid had some issues with consistency but maybe that's not true, I don't know.

And, with prolactin gyno, would doing a test enanthate, tren, and anavar cycle be something I should worry about? I am very excited about the upcoming tren addition to my cycle because of the extensively clean gear I'm using, I can only imagine how clean the tren will be. I don't want gyno, so maybe I'll add the cabergoline to the cycle in mild dosages if my doctor gives me the green light.

Recommendations for dosing?

liquid is just not stable. its has a very short degradation period in suspension, which may be even shorter with some of the suspension used.

first question when someone says that cabergoline did not help... what kind were you using?... answer EVERY TIME... liquid

if you have issues from prolactin, or previous progestin cycles (or any gyno issues, estro, progestin, etc), any cycle can (but not necessarily will) cause additional issues. once you have gyno, its always something you have be careful of. As you get older its typically MORE an issue, because of the changes in the enzyme systems.

even .5mg every 5 days is helpful for prevention (treatment on the other hand requires a higher dose-- generally reccomend 1mg for 3-5 days then .5mg for until symptoms pass (itching, aching, etc) then .5mg eod or eood. generally most people symptoms pass within 7-10 days at those dosages.

 

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as a note- even use at lower doses (after a treatment fronload) for 4-6 weeks will keep your prolactin levels low for a LONG TIME. suppression effects can last for up to 6 months.

 

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Ok, so if my next cycle consists of:

Enanthate, Tren, Anavar (var), & Dbol (yes I'm taking 2 orals, starting dbol first, then adding Var the remaining part), then would you say a good dosage of dostinex/cab would be .5mg every 5 days would work to prevent progestin/prolactin gyno? I just would like to prevent this from occuring in the first place. The dbol from my past cycle did in fact give me some puffy nips, but with AIFM it subsided and after my cycle, the gyno always goes away. Very weird.

Anyways, let me know because I'm ordering the dostinex from aura tomorrow. Thanks. I'll probably get the 1mg, 20 tablets that are scored, and that way i'll be able to break them with ease.

 

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Ok, so if my next cycle consists of:

Enanthate, Tren, Anavar (var), & Dbol (yes I'm taking 2 orals, starting dbol first, then adding Var the remaining part), then would you say a good dosage of dostinex/cab would be .5mg every 5 days would work to prevent progestin/prolactin gyno? I just would like to prevent this from occuring in the first place. The dbol from my past cycle did in fact give me some puffy nips, but with AIFM it subsided and after my cycle, the gyno always goes away. Very weird.

Anyways, let me know because I'm ordering the dostinex from aura tomorrow. Thanks. I'll probably get the 1mg, 20 tablets that are scored, and that way i'll be able to break them with ease.

.5mg e3d or e4d would be preferable, though .5mg e5d may be sufficient. Since you are prone to puffyness would err toward the more frequent dose.

order the 1mg CABASER tablets, they are the SAME. just a lot CHEAPER. (its a use patent issue)

 

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macro.. i read in ''ANABOLICS 06'' that cabergoline has ''heart palpitations'' though rare, listed as a possible side effect. They also recommend @.25mg 2xew for a starting dose for 4 weeks. Ive read on here, that bromocriptine effects immune system with use. Wich in your opionion, is a ''safer'' overall alternative? Thanks,best-

 

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cabergoline is better tolerated.

for prolactin/gyno issues that dosage is generally not sufficient.

 

[RichGenetics]

.5mg e3d or e4d would be preferable, though .5mg e5d may be sufficient. Since you are prone to puffyness would err toward the more frequent dose.

order the 1mg CABASER tablets, they are the SAME. just a lot CHEAPER. (its a use patent issue)

Thanks buddy. I always appreciate your help and knowledge. You da man.

 

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bump for macro-

your questions are answered in the post above. The assertions of lewellyn are also addressed.

 

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And was noted macro, thanks bro!.. as far as llewellyn's book goes, i think its good for a ''outline'' on things. I also think it has some flaws, and thats why i value your opinion. People are asking about test and ''leakage''. YES, i had this side-effect on a test cycle. Is this the ''hard tissue'' starting to develop? Im wondering because I want to add a nandrolone to my next cycle. With this predisposition, would you recommend stacking letro/cabaser from the start? or just treat accordingly, cabaser for leakage only and letro for hardening only? excellent thread btw-

 

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i went to the doctor today and had a penile doppler where they inject my shaft with cialis like drug and then sonagram my penis. Any way i masterbated the night before so that i maybe could figure out why my erections are not full and are also more painfull after recent ejcualtion. so today he gives me the test and dont even get full erection during the test and its a little painfull and it feels as thou the blood wants to get it but cant. so after a pretty long sonogram the doc concuded that there was no obstuction in the penis. i asked him about the discomfort and hes pretty much ignoring that and he told gave me 1/4 a tab of cialis every night for 4 weeks and he wants me to come back and tell him my erection quality.

so any way i get home and hours later the drug is still active but i cant get hard so i just have a semi and like pretty uncomforable pain in my penis and the connecting area. ??? any one have any ideas? my penis also comes out of my body on an angle if this could be the reason. Its not actually bent, its just tilts.

any way the doctor was trying to convince me that people have varying pottential for there erections and that i probly just come in at the bottom of the the spectrum, i wanted to slap him, i fucking 25 and have been complaining about this shit since i was like 15, plus before that i had normal erections. So he doesnt neccasarily think some thing is wrong because i dont have a painfull semi after being injected with the drug.

 

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And was noted macro, thanks bro!.. as far as llewellyn's book goes, i think its good for a ''outline'' on things. I also think it has some flaws, and thats why i value your opinion. People are asking about test and ''leakage''. YES, i had this side-effect on a test cycle. Is this the ''hard tissue'' starting to develop? Im wondering because I want to add a nandrolone to my next cycle. With this predisposition, would you recommend stacking letro/cabaser from the start? or just treat accordingly, cabaser for leakage only and letro for hardening only? excellent thread btw-

leakage is evidence of galactoreah which is a definite sign that prolactin is a problem (estrogen may be the driving force that is elevating that prolactin- but prolactin is still an issue. note- estrogen may just be one factor, some people produce vary levels of T and DHT metabolites which may be driving factors as well)

if you are predisposed to galactoreah would DEFINITELY use cabaser as a preventative measure.


this is not really an either or issue, these things are all interrelated, prolactin also expands ductal tubules and growth of hard tissue. You should definitely use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), though reccomend aromasin or AIFM over letro. Letrozole use is generally not as sustainable and even with low dosing can drive E levels (particularly estrone levels) too low. Keep letro on hand IS a good idea. But really feel that its generally not the best choice for ongoing use for most persons.

 

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i went to the doctor today and had a penile doppler where they inject my shaft with cialis like drug and then sonagram my penis. Any way i masterbated the night before so that i maybe could figure out why my erections are not full and are also more painfull after recent ejcualtion. so today he gives me the test and dont even get full erection during the test and its a little painfull and it feels as thou the blood wants to get it but cant. so after a pretty long sonogram the doc concuded that there was no obstuction in the penis. i asked him about the discomfort and hes pretty much ignoring that and he told gave me 1/4 a tab of cialis every night for 4 weeks and he wants me to come back and tell him my erection quality.

so any way i get home and hours later the drug is still active but i cant get hard so i just have a semi and like pretty uncomforable pain in my penis and the connecting area. ??? any one have any ideas? my penis also comes out of my body on an angle if this could be the reason. Its not actually bent, its just tilts.

any way the doctor was trying to convince me that people have varying pottential for there erections and that i probly just come in at the bottom of the the spectrum, i wanted to slap him, i fucking 25 and have been complaining about this shit since i was like 15, plus before that i had normal erections. So he doesnt neccasarily think some thing is wrong because i dont have a painfull semi after being injected with the drug.

sounds like you may need venous restructuring. Perhaps you need a different test, because that sure sounds like either obstruction or malformation. Not sure if this was meant to be posted in this thread, but thought you might like an answer.

 

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yeah i meant to post it here i wanted your opinion macro. so what do suggest i do? i feel like the constriction is happening lower than my shaft. its not that bad unless i ejacualte, then im not sure what happens but any erections i get after that will be not full and feel alsmost painfull. Like its trying to fill with blood but something is stopping it. also i dunno if i mentioned that my penis comes out of my body on a curve. ?

 

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yeah i meant to post it here i wanted your opinion macro. so what do suggest i do? i feel like the constriction is happening lower than my shaft. its not that bad unless i ejacualte, then im not sure what happens but any erections i get after that will be not full and feel alsmost painfull. Like its trying to fill with blood but something is stopping it. also i dunno if i mentioned that my penis comes out of my body on a curve. ?

is their ejaculate in your urine?

Prolactin may be an issue here, are you able to maintain/acheive subsequent erections WITHOUT cialis or other ED drugs?

Prolactin does affect blood flow and if you have some kind of congenital or venous shift/damage/leakage the combination may be causing the pain and partial flaccidity. Though either of those alone could be causative factors.

there are more advanced tests, that use marker dyes and other types of imaging (which you might want to consider).

 

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yeah im going to a urologist at nyu so hopefully he knows what he doing. I can get a normal erection but if i ejacualte and then get another erection it seems like the erection i get is pain ull. I also suspected prolactin but i had the levels tested and i think they were fine.
Even besides the pain im not horny after I ejacualte and remain this way for a long time. if i do get another erection in the next one to two days it will be a restricted pain full one and I also have no drive after that. Even when on a lot of test i would get very hard erections but then after i ejacualted if i got another it would be painfull and feel constricted. very rarely have i been able horny or able to get another erection soon after i have just had one, its usually at least a day or two to feel horny and if i did get one the next day it would feel contricted.

there has even been times when i was horny and on test and my erections felt a little painfull. even laying on my side has been painfull in my groin area at times when i was laying on my side. i was diagnosed with chronic protatitus before but this doctor says thats bullshit.

 

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macro have a side question. these problems have been aorund since way before i every juiced, since about 16 maybe younger.
ive been juicing pretty much non stop for the past few years using mostly high doses of test and no progesterones really. Ive been off juice for a 6 months and plan on stayin off for a few years. I want to take some clomid again for another few week to see if it brings my drive back a little.

i want the doctor to be able to properly diagnose this other issue thou or any natural hormone imbalances so how long would it take after discontinuing the clomid for my hormones refelect my true level so i can get tested for high prolactin ect.

 

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this may sound like and odd question but do you find yourself yawning during your subsequent painful erectile periods? this could indicate an issue with oxytocin.

though your lack of full erection and pain, does seem to more likely indicate a prolactin problem (it may not be a high level of prolactin but rather a sensitivity to it).

these two are linked so both might be factors.

the use of test (and thus increased DHT) might mitigate some of the effects that you experience off cycle (thus still allowing for subsequent fairly full erections, but because of the issues with those chemicals causing odd blood flow and pain)

 

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i want the doctor to be able to properly diagnose this other issue thou or any natural hormone imbalances so how long would it take after discontinuing the clomid for my hormones refelect my true level so i can get tested for high prolactin ect.

minimum of 4 weeks, preferably 5.