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hey im new to the site and just started my a cycle of mdrol by competitive edge labs. heard about it through a buddy said it was good no problems started it two days ago now im reading about gyno and all this. Being that its my first cycle and im only taking 20 mg a day will i suffer from gyno? i dont plan on doing more cycles i wanted to give it a try since ive plateu'd very badly. i have a thread about it cant get anyones help. again very new a friend of mine is gonna help me get the right post cycle therapy (pct) but if my odds of gyno are good then im gonna stop this short and get rid of it. so before its too late help!! lol thanks guys
 
i posted here before he did but elaborate on the body fat thing more or less is more likely i understand i should run a real cycle but im gonna try and stick with this or nothing
 
Animal1852 said:
I am thinking about running this cycle:

week 1-8 Tren E 800mg

week 1-10 Deca at 900mg.

PCT will be OTC picked up some good stuff from gnc based on my boys advice (he works there he knows what supps are legit)

I am 6'2" and 165lbs. What do you guys think I have my diet down I eat 3 meals a day and drink lots of milk.


.....JK JK this was just to test your patience scarz.
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HAHAHA you made my day bro LOL

I think you need some winstrol too so it would be:

week 1-8 Tren E 800mg
Week 1-8 Winstrol 150mg
week 1-10 Deca at 900mg

but remember you should not add any test to that!
LOL
 
I am on my first cycle of Test E for twelve weeks and am in my eigth week i wasnt taking any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during the cycle. i just noticed yesterday a small hard lump behind my left nipple, about the size of a pencil eraser. my nipples havent been itchy, or irratated and they don't look any different or bigger... they feel fine and was wondering what i should do? I started nolvadex @ 20mgs yesterday...was wondering if i should order some arimedex to help it go away?... i was also wondering about letro and have heard that it will make the gyno go away but is bad for hair loss...which i dont want...
 
Scarz, little change in plans so could you plz recommend me a cycle which includes Test E/Deca/Bolde and anything else you think is necessary?
 
Thank you Scarz for this thread, very helpful and thoughtful.
Ok here are my questions about Trenbolone: What is the difference between Tren E and Tren A other than their time release and ester? Which one is better for a bulking cycle? Which one can be run along with EQ and/or Deca in a bulking cycle? What is your opinion about Tritren (Tren mix)? Is it a good compound and is better than tren e, a, parabolan? Do you think Tritren would be a good mix with Sustanon since they are both time released?
Thanks
 
bpsarvar said:
Thank you Scarz for this thread, very helpful and thoughtful.
Ok here are my questions about Trenbolone: What is the difference between Tren E and Tren A other than their time release and ester? Which one is better for a bulking cycle? Which one can be run along with EQ and/or Deca in a bulking cycle? What is your opinion about Tritren (Tren mix)? Is it a good compound and is better than tren e, a, parabolan? Do you think Tritren would be a good mix with Sustanon since they are both time released?
Thanks
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ill jump in on this one, scarz can add his input.
1. the hormone is trenbolone, which makes up ~80% of the raw mix. the remaining portion is an ester attached to the hormone to alter its rate of release in the body. the enanthate ester attached to tren e is very slow, identical to test e, which is active ~8days. the acetate ester attached to tren a is very quickly released in the body and is only active for 2-3 days. same hormone, just different rate of release in the body. typically, tren e is dosed at 200mg/ml, and tren a is dosed either at 75/76 or 100mg/ml because of the more frequent injections. there is no difference other than that.
2. tren e would be better for bulking, but deca is much better for bulking with far less sides.
3. you can run tren with eq in either a bulk or cut, but not deca. deca and tren are both 19 nor compounds which have progesterone and prolactin related sides, much different from test, eq, etc. combining tren and deca would make these sides much more apparent and difficult to combat. it is highly not recommended to run deca and tren together.
4. tri-tren and parabolan are pretty similar, again we are just dealing with differences in esters. parabolan is a unique drug in the sense that it has a special HexaHydroBencyl Carbonate ester which gives it an active life of 5-7 days, but it is a single ester. tri-tren is obviously a blend of esters, acetate, hexahydrobenzylcarbonate, and enanthate esters. so this provides you with less frequent injections bc of the hex and enan esters but also provides quicker results due to the acetate ester. I never liked this idea with tren bc anyone who has used it will tell you that keeping stable blood levels is a necessity with tren to minimize sides, and this blend makes that kind of difficult.
5. stacking tritren with sust is a fine cycle, i think prop/tren a or test e/tren e are much better cycles but there isn't anything blatantly wrong with tritren/sust. personally, i dont like blends. they give me horrible sides. and remember, every steroid is time released, just at different rates.
 
WOW, solid infos dtone! Got all my answers! Thank you so much. Ology is the best thread I have ever seen!!! Thanks again!
 
Charger said:
I am on my first cycle of Test E for twelve weeks and am in my eigth week i wasnt taking any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during the cycle. i just noticed yesterday a small hard lump behind my left nipple, about the size of a pencil eraser. my nipples havent been itchy, or irratated and they don't look any different or bigger... they feel fine and was wondering what i should do? I started nolvadex @ 20mgs yesterday...was wondering if i should order some arimedex to help it go away?... i was also wondering about letro and have heard that it will make the gyno go away but is bad for hair loss...which i dont want...
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grab some letro and run 1.25mgs ed for 2 wks. if no progress after 2 wks, increase dose to 2.5mgs ed for a wk and assess. i really dont recommend or think that you will need to go to 2.5mg/ed and i wouldn't run it any longer than a wk at that dose. you shouldn't worry about your hair at all on letro, you should be worried about your libido. check rui (banner^) or research stop for letro.
 
Muay Thai said:
Scarz, little change in plans so could you plz recommend me a cycle which includes Test E/Deca/Bolde and anything else you think is necessary?
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wks 1-16 test e 750mgs/wk
wks 1-15 eq 600mgs/wk
wks 1-15 deca 400mgs/wk
wks 1-4/17-18 test prop 150mg/eod
wks 5-16 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250 iu's e3d or 2X/wk
pct (clo/nol) 4 days after last prop shot with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and prolactin antagonist of choice throughout.
 
dtone said:
grab some letro and run 1.25mgs ed for 2 wks. if no progress after 2 wks, increase dose to 2.5mgs ed for a wk and assess. i really dont recommend or think that you will need to go to 2.5mg/ed and i wouldn't run it any longer than a wk at that dose. you shouldn't worry about your hair at all on letro, you should be worried about your libido. check rui (banner^) or research stop for letro.
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DTone kicking it up a notch ... excellent stuff man.

And good call on letro and libido. Destroyed mine. AIFM helped bring it back quite a bit though.
 
i guess i know the answer to this but ill ask anyway. when doing a test e and deca cycle is it ok to not take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) if i cant find it. last time my nuts shrunk real small and im thinkin it not good for them i dont want to do irreversable damage ya know
 
boston5520 said:
i guess i know the answer to this but ill ask anyway. when doing a test e and deca cycle is it ok to not take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) if i cant find it. last time my nuts shrunk real small and im thinkin it not good for them i dont want to do irreversable damage ya know
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its ok to not take hcg, its just not recommended. all of us have done at least a couple cycles without Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and its always fine. using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) makes post cycle therapy (pct) easier. especially if you are like some of us and run a couple cycles a year, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) pretty much becomes a necessity.

if you can't get it now, definitely try to get it for post cycle therapy (pct) and run some blasts during post cycle therapy (pct).... like 2 shots of 2,500 iu's 3 days apart at the start of post cycle therapy (pct), then 5 shots of 1k iu's e3d following. and just run it for the first 2 wks of post cycle therapy (pct) in this case. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) usage varies from individual to individual, these are just typical protocols.
 
so I have another question, I have around 8 weeks left of my cycle I have been using test cyp and deca. I have been bulking I am around 235 now started at 210, and have been on cycle for around 6 weeks I just did a calpiper test and it says im 13.5%bodyfat and I really don't like the look right now,because most is being held in my stomach. So the question I have is would it be effective to start a cut for like the last six weeks of my cycle and just use the test cyp and deca and just eat less calories. or would you switch over to test prop for the last six weeks and keep the deca. Or would you just finish the bulk?
Thanks for your help.
 
mrutah said:
so I have another question, I have around 8 weeks left of my cycle I have been using test cyp and deca. I have been bulking I am around 235 now started at 210, and have been on cycle for around 6 weeks I just did a calpiper test and it says im 13.5%bodyfat and I really don't like the look right now,because most is being held in my stomach. So the question I have is would it be effective to start a cut for like the last six weeks of my cycle and just use the test cyp and deca and just eat less calories. or would you switch over to test prop for the last six weeks and keep the deca. Or would you just finish the bulk?
Thanks for your help.
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if you can't stomach going on bulking, just drop your cals and introduce some mild cardio to get started. you dont have to be on popular 'cut' drugs to cut. i could make a damn good cut cycle out of test and deca. just make sure to lighten up on the dieting and cardio during post cycle therapy (pct). stay on your current cycle as planned.
 
dtone said:
wks 1-16 test e 750mgs/wk
wks 1-15 eq 600mgs/wk
wks 1-15 deca 400mgs/wk
wks 1-4/17-18 test prop 150mg/eod
wks 5-16 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250 iu's e3d or 2X/wk
pct (clo/nol) 4 days after last prop shot with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and prolactin antagonist of choice throughout.
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Thanks dtone :beertoast

One more question if you don't mind, max dosage i've used in the past is Test 500 Deca 300. And I had great gains. Can I decrease the dosages on the cycle you've recommended? Maybe wrong but I'm thinking more with less is better then more with more, so I have room for future cycles to up the dosage :D

So would you recommend something like 500 Test / 300 deca / ??? eq (what dosage?). If yes what exact dosages etc. If no, why not?

Also I'm assuming Test Prop in first few weeks is there to replace D-bol as jumpstarter, being the less toxic one, correct?
 
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