Hi all, I've been training 3 to 4 times a week for over six years now and have gained two stone in that time and weigh just over 200lbs my diet and supplement intake is good and I'm happy with my gains but would like to be bigger but have reached my plateau and struggle to hold the weight and have decided to try steroids so I've ordered an 8 week oral cycle of dianabol 30 - 40 mg a day running with nolvadex and clomid, I'm not against injecting and would welcome any advise on my choice.
Beginner seeks advice on oral cycle
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jack3d4life
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I'll break it all down for you broski...
I need all your stats but here is your basic overview.
1. Oral only cycles are a no go, all cycles need a test base.
2. 8 weeks on an oral is a long time especially one like dbol bro. That shit can be pretty toxic. If you're bent on running it, run it 4 weeks with 6 being the max. You can even run it the first and last 4 weeks of your cycle depending on its length.
3. When running orals you need to be cognizant of your liver etc dude. I see no liver support supps here. Get some liv.52 and NAC.
4. I see no AI(Aromatase Inhibitor) such as adex or aromasin.
5.You have the Nolva and clomid right, so let's say with a test base you run it 14 days after your last pin in this fashion.
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 75/50/50/50 or 50/50/50/50
Now all this being said a first cycle recommendation is a test only cycle.
Ex. 12 week cycle of test at 500mg a week pinned twice a week at 250mg every mon/thurs.
Adex .25mg eod(increase dose as needed while being careful not to over compensate) too much can crash your e2 and lead to achy joints and limp dick along with many other issues you want no part of(trust me).
So imo bro order up some test run it for 12 weeks and enjoy your ride. Save your dbol for next run, this being your first cycle I promise if you eat and train correctly you'll be more than satisfied with your results.
And last but not least don't forget to get your pre and post cycle bloodwork done bro! And if you decide you can't go without the dbol I would recommend getting bloods during cycle as well.
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jack3d4life
Slave to the needle
Real informative.
SamSport
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I'm just having fun man. Its just another first poster that ask about an oral only cycle.
Roush
I am banned!
If your dead set on using the Dbol..
Use it short term as a kick start ONLY to a long Esther test cycle. The Dbol will kick in right away and you'll get a feel for it while the test is elevating and then kicking in 4 weeks later.
A 500mg test cycle with a Dbol kick start should yield good gains for a first cycle
Use it short term as a kick start ONLY to a long Esther test cycle. The Dbol will kick in right away and you'll get a feel for it while the test is elevating and then kicking in 4 weeks later.
A 500mg test cycle with a Dbol kick start should yield good gains for a first cycle
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jack3d4life
Slave to the needle
Just yanking your chain bro
SamSport
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hehe no biggie
Thanks for the advice guys as you can tell I haven't a clue on what does what except for the beginners cycle that I was advised to get and like I say I don't mind injecting but don't know what products to buy, my stats are 43 yrs old training 3 times a week for 6 years 5ft 8" 200 lbs and want size so need more advice on what to use on cycle and for how long, when you say test is that just types of testosterone ? Sorry but when it comes to the science of a bodybuilding diet I know everything but haven't a clue on what steroid cycle to use
00pmac00
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Test = Testosterone
Test P = Propionate
Test C = Cypionate
Test E = Enanthate
There are others but those are the most common except Test Suspension with has no ester attached to it. The type of ester is what determines the halflife of the compound in your body Suspension is in and out in a few hours IIRC. the others in order listed are short lived to relatively long life of 10 or so days for E. This makes a difference on how often you will need to inject yourself to keep blood levels up of Test.
Test P = Propionate
Test C = Cypionate
Test E = Enanthate
There are others but those are the most common except Test Suspension with has no ester attached to it. The type of ester is what determines the halflife of the compound in your body Suspension is in and out in a few hours IIRC. the others in order listed are short lived to relatively long life of 10 or so days for E. This makes a difference on how often you will need to inject yourself to keep blood levels up of Test.
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Thanks for the advice but call me stupid when u say use test is that the brand name or is that any type of testosterone ? Like I say when it comes to training and diet I'm I'm spot on but haven't a clue for steroids and can't find enough info, I want to run a simple cycle to bulk and was advised on the dbol novadex clomid oral cycle as being ideal ?
00pmac00
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Let me start by saying I could be wrong on my terminology, please someone correct me where I am wrong.
Test is just the short form of the word Testosterone. no brand names listed what I put down were a few of the most common versions of Testosterone.
P, C, and E are not brands either, they are what is called an ester (I think I am spelling that word right) an ester is a molecule basically, The type of ester determines how long the testosterone will be in your system. longer esters are basically bigger molecules. P is a short ester (last a day or two requiring daily or every other day injections) C is a mid life ester and E is a long ester. Sorry but I don't know how long C and E last in the system, I'm not that smart.
Test is just the short form of the word Testosterone. no brand names listed what I put down were a few of the most common versions of Testosterone.
P, C, and E are not brands either, they are what is called an ester (I think I am spelling that word right) an ester is a molecule basically, The type of ester determines how long the testosterone will be in your system. longer esters are basically bigger molecules. P is a short ester (last a day or two requiring daily or every other day injections) C is a mid life ester and E is a long ester. Sorry but I don't know how long C and E last in the system, I'm not that smart.
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Thanks for the advise but due to the lack of info and help in the uk I'm still a bit confused, is a test only cycle any particular make of testosterone and what support for eastrogen and gyno do I take with it and for how long ? My training and diet is spot on but have reached my max and plateaued and need help to grow but I little knowledge of steroids which is why I went for the oral dbol novadex clomid cycle as it was a beginners package ?
thanks for the explanations but can anyone recomend a first cycle package and cycle dosage for idiots that I could try
00pmac00
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OK as has been stated before ignore the dbol for now. Just for the sake of argument. Not using it now wont be the end of the world, you can always use it on your second cycle if you have already bought it.
Estrogen support is maybe Arimidex 12.5mg every other day. A couple of things to note, on a 500mg a week cycle you may or may not need estrogen support, it is highly recommended to have it or similar estrogen support on hand in case side effect do pop up.
Nolvadex and Clomid are used for PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) which is what you do after your cycle is over, to bring your natural testosterone back to normal production, because taking external sources of Testosterone, will suppress your natural production (same happens when taking dbol or other steroids).
Clomid daily at 50/50/50/50 4 weeks of 50mg a day, and Nolvadex 20.20.20.20 which is likely enough 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
I wont discuss diet for 2 reasons, you say yours is fine (i'll take your word for it) and I am not the guy to get diet advice from.
Estrogen support is maybe Arimidex 12.5mg every other day. A couple of things to note, on a 500mg a week cycle you may or may not need estrogen support, it is highly recommended to have it or similar estrogen support on hand in case side effect do pop up.
Nolvadex and Clomid are used for PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) which is what you do after your cycle is over, to bring your natural testosterone back to normal production, because taking external sources of Testosterone, will suppress your natural production (same happens when taking dbol or other steroids).
Clomid daily at 50/50/50/50 4 weeks of 50mg a day, and Nolvadex 20.20.20.20 which is likely enough 20mg a day for 4 weeks.
I wont discuss diet for 2 reasons, you say yours is fine (i'll take your word for it) and I am not the guy to get diet advice from.
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00pmac00
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A simple cycle:
250mg 2x a week Sunday and Wednesday would be fine of Testosterone Cypionate for 12-14 weeks I like longer, so I would do 14 weeks.
exactly 2 weeks after your last shot start taking your PCT as explained above in my previous post.
Have Arimadex on hand for estrogen side effects (bloodwork would be recommended at 6 weeks to make sure everything is in check such as your estrogen).
after 4 weeks of PCT check your blood again to make sure your natural levels rebounded properly.
You should get bloodwork done prior to cycle as well so you know what your current natural levels are, so when you finish your PCT you have the reference level to see if everything is back to normal.
250mg 2x a week Sunday and Wednesday would be fine of Testosterone Cypionate for 12-14 weeks I like longer, so I would do 14 weeks.
exactly 2 weeks after your last shot start taking your PCT as explained above in my previous post.
Have Arimadex on hand for estrogen side effects (bloodwork would be recommended at 6 weeks to make sure everything is in check such as your estrogen).
after 4 weeks of PCT check your blood again to make sure your natural levels rebounded properly.
You should get bloodwork done prior to cycle as well so you know what your current natural levels are, so when you finish your PCT you have the reference level to see if everything is back to normal.
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