Ben having this argument with a few people now!!! Give me some answers guys!

[spiderpig]

I say "once you've juiced your never natural" few people saying few months later your natural again. the juice may be out your system but my argument is.
say you gain 20lb from a cycle keep 10lb for instance, now 6 months down the line, if you still have kept your gains or most of it or all, them gains where from AAS not natural muscle building, so how the hell can you consider yourself natural! fair play if u get tested you may pass but still there is AAS muscle in there!

Whats your opinion?

 

[Hog928]

That's like saying you didn't have sex for a week your a virgin again.

 

[Austinite]

Yeah, you lose 100% of any gains beyond your natural limits. It's how the human body works. Prior to limits, who cares if you get there faster, you would have gotten there without steroids anyway.

 

[DreDay187]

Once you juice I guess you can't be considered natty in the context like Hog mentioned but there is no difference in muscle acquired by juice or without. Muscle is muscle and when you get off the juice you will keep whatever muscle you've accumulated provided you're not past your genetic potential and you eat and train in a manner consistent with retaining that muscle.

In your argument about the 10 or 20lbs gained on a cycle, that is not all muscle. It is water, added glycogen, muscle etc. if you want to say someone gained 10lbs of muscle on a cycle, even if it was all pure skeletal muscle, and you want to say that's AAS muscle and can't claim natty, what about the other 180lbs or whatever number you pick of other lbm? You seem only concerned with the ones added on cycle, what about the gains made before cycling and when your test levels are normal?

 

[Megatron28]

Yeah, you lose 100% of any gains beyond your natural limits. It's how the human body works. Prior to limits, who cares if you get there faster, you would have gotten there without steroids anyway.

You put that very succinctly.

 

[DreDay187]

You put that very succinctly.

Basically it took him 3 sentences, 2of which could have been fused to make 2 total sentences, to say what I did in 2 paragraphs lmao.

Austin, 2 can play at that game:

Everyone's different!

 

[XELFLEC]

Everyone's different!

You really kill me alittle bit every time I see u post this.

Once a convicted felon always a convicted felon.
But you can still say your a changed man
And someone won't believe it

 

[theblitzkrieg]

You can never be natty again but who even gives a crap?

 

[KingBF]

^^^this

 

[TheDarkHalf]

I say "once you've juiced your never natural" few people saying few months later your natural again. the juice may be out your system but my argument is.
say you gain 20lb from a cycle keep 10lb for instance, now 6 months down the line, if you still have kept your gains or most of it or all, them gains where from AAS not natural muscle building, so how the hell can you consider yourself natural! fair play if u get tested you may pass but still there is AAS muscle in there!

Whats your opinion?

The bottom line is at the end of the day, over time, the AAS assisted individual will retain more of their size than the non assisted individual....assuming that all other variables are somewhat similar

 

[Mad- scientist]

Some people just end up fucking up their natural testosterone to and it makes it a lot harder to keep making natural gains or even maintain what they use to have. If they fuck up on pct and never get their levels back to normal again.

 

[halfwit]

I honestly don't get the whole "natty" vs "juiced" thing. Sure, it's best to build up a solid foundation FIRST, but it's not like the muscle you put on with the aid of AAS is any less real or the work you put in the gym is any less intense. I find that folks "on" actually work harder as they have that additional motivation in my experience.

My .02c

 

[Mad- scientist]

I agree that people can work harder when on a cycle to get good gains. The thing about natural athletes that sucks is no matter how hard they work they can never be taken as seriously as a bodybuilder as some one who is on steroids. I know that sounds like a odd statement but if you take two guys who have very similar genetics and one of them does steroids and one trains naturally and they both put in 110% effort for a year towards every aspect of body building. The guy on steroids is going to be looked at as if he knows more about bodybuilding or that he has worked harder. Which sucks for the natural guy. I believe that is why guys who are natural get so mad is because no matter what they do they just will never be at the same level of physique as a guy who does steroids. And it can be very hard to know you are working just as hard as another guy or harder and the only difference is he is taking steroids so every one kisses that guy's ass and thinks he is a better bodybuilder. I mean you could take one of the top ten natural body builders who trains as hard as one of the top ten un natural body builders and every one will want to talk to the guy who is using steroids and get advice from him even though the natural guy might even be smarter.