Best oral for lean mass/cutting

[swim15]

Best oral for lean mass/cutting with test e

I am planning to run a test e cycle later this spring for ~14 weeks with a frontload the first week. At first I wanted to use dbol as a kick start to get some mass gains and finish up with a dry oral (SD, epi, methylsten, or anavar) but I am starting to rethink that because I am kinda unhappy with my body fat percentage.

I have been bulking but I am probably around 14 or 15% right now with 2-4 abs visible. That said, I am starting to think I do not want to add a bunch of additional bloat and water to my physique. Would really like to incorporate the dbol into the cycle but want to end the cycle with less body fat and more muscle...

So I am thinking about a couple things...I could use a different oral to kick it (something dry like SD) and another dry oral to end (epi/methylsten) or I could kick it with the dbol and use a dry oral (epi) to try and tone it up towards the end.

Mostly I just want input on which oral people have had the most success with as far as lean gains and decreased body fat...I would prefer not to use anavar because I don't want to have to dish out the extra funds if something like high dose epi will work. I really should use tren but I am saving that for a later cycle.

Thoughts?

 

[Dmass20]

If you are wanting something as a kickstart look at some turinabol. If you aren't wanting a kickstart I would run anavar at 80mgs the last 8 weeks

 

[swim15]

I have heard good things about tbol...my source just doesn't carry it...I am thinking about using 3 weeks of dbol as a kick, 3 weeks of msten in the middle, and finish with epi at the end...I really want to use the dbol but I may end up just using msten/SD and epi...if I get a big paycheck maybe I will drop some for the anavar.

 

[Atomsk]

do more research cause anyone asking this question would know anavar.

 

[swim15]

Yea I know it is the best...I should have said what would be the best besides anavar cause I dont want to drop the cash when I already have a shit ton of other stuff on hand...I have a while before I start so maybe I will pick some up in a couple months

 

[Tmer4thewin1]

Clen is cheap and great for cutting. Bulk now cut later.

 

[skinnypete]

anybody consider methyl tren oral tren? not for the novice i know but anybody had results?

 

[willypct40]

For lean gains with the right diet nothing can get close to tren(god I love that shit). Tren will
Melt the fat while adding muscle. I will not mess with any orals for your goal, maybe some clen/t3,but
Use it wisely.

 

[Nightmare007]

Anavar and or turinabol

 

[gmann]

I can't begin to say enough good things about anavar

 

[Millertime]

I can't begin to say enough good things about anavar

Except over priced and little gain.

 

[unknown21]

I would go with tbol.

 

[Truushot]

Anavar suck for anyone with a penis.

It is weak, expensive, and gains are little.

If you wanna shred at the end of a cycle do prop, tren ace, winny,clen, T3 and eat clean with moderate cardio.

Anavar needs to run at at Least 80mg daily. What you get for that is next to nothing.

My wife loves the shit though!

 

[gmann]

I disagree, test/var has worked real well for me!

 

[unknown21]

Anavar suck for anyone with a penis.

It is weak, expensive, and gains are little.

If you wanna shred at the end of a cycle do prop, tren ace, winny,clen, T3 and eat clean with moderate cardio.

Anavar needs to run at at Least 80mg daily. What you get for that is next to nothing.

My wife loves the shit though!

Var is way to expensive for the very lil gains it gives you.

 

[gmann]

Again, I would just preface it by saying, what has worked for me and my body. I have made gains in strength and mass. As for the cost at 50mgs a day it works out to be about what $3.00 a day, is that expensive?

 

[StanG]

I like var at 60+mgs/day. Run that for 8 week with your test to start or end your cycle. U pick. If I ran it at end Id run it right up to post cycle therapy (pct) in fact.

 

[Truushot]

Your question is incomplete.

3.00 per day for what? The results have to measurable. I can tell you a bottle of tren ace costs 60 bucks. 6 bucks per Cc. Eod that is 3.00 per day.

If you look at the chemical structure of both compounds the typical cycle runner will get much more gains on the tren than the var.

So is 3.00 per day expensive? No not really if you get gains. (Strength, vascularity, hardness, and leanness). If this is what you're after there really isn't a question.

Also I am not saying anything personal about anyone. Please don't take it that way. I'm just saying people think anavar is something that is a miracle drug. It's mildly androgenic with little gains and as well as sides.

 

[gmann]

I agree tru, What it does boil down to, is what exactly are the gains you seek! I'm 49 not looking to compete, my test/var run has been a good one for me, who knows tren may also be in my future!

 

[Truushot]

See now your gains are measurable!

Good you found what you like. Take the tren plunge. You'll thank me!

Good luck brother.