Best oral to stack with test & tren for gains?

[tbonexl]

I would stack either Aromasin or adex and caber with test and tren. All u need...

 

[Manticore1]

Anadrol is very diet dependant. Eat a lot of carbs and you are going to swell. Did carb cycling while on it and still didn't get the dreaded moon face, however on the forth day of high carb I had put on 15lbs.

 

[Harnold]

2 day s drol 2 day s winny.

Could u tell me please...and I m not bashing..where you came up with that and why ? I would love to hear the rational behind it.....seriously.
TEACH ME.

I'm curious as well, not criticizing, but one retains fluid and one dries you out, so why the battle for supremacy? just wondering.

 

[Southernfish]

I honestly think with Tren being the most superior AAS that there really isn't any need for an oral. If you run the Ace ester is starts doing it thing very fast and very well. If a guy cant gain on Tren there is either an issue with gear quality, diet quality, or training quality, nothing else. Tren does everything you need it to and does it very well. If I was running Test and Tren the only thing Id add is another injectable preferably a DHT compound.

 

[Harnold]

i agree. as are most side effects. also i don't get much strength or size off dbol. have yet to try drol though.

I would best describe drol as D-Bols evil big brother. stronger, but with worse sides, including brutal fcking headaches and uncontrollable moon face water retention. my experience, and I've tried it with several combos, it bends me over and fcks every cycle I ever try with it. my 2cnts.

 

[KBD]

D-Bol makes me feel like god...lol......I feel pure and strong and healthy as hell. even though I'm probably knocking the shit out of my liver.

I agree, dbol shits on all AAS including the "amazing tren". Tren is nothing but side effects, dbol is GAINS.

Dbol: makes you big
Makes you happy
Makes you strong
Makes you eat

Tren: Makes you strong(def doesn't add much size for me at least)
Makes you pissed
Kills appetite
Anxiety

Tren may be a great steroid but it most CERTAINLY is nowhere near the best lol. Anavar shits on tren all day long if one can afford it. I def believe trens gains are extremely over hyped. Anyone I know who has ran both, has hands down had the best gains on dbol. Dbol adds mass in a caloric deficit and who gives a fuck if it's mostly water, it's weight and weight= power. Just ask the elephant or the grizzly bear.

Best orals

Dbol
Superdrol
Anavar

 

[Harnold]

it's a method used by Ameen Alai aka The Mad Scientist who is a very well known prep coach and academic... I know a lot of people want studies and facts to back everything up but that what us bodybuilders are... we are our own case studies. and if someone who is trust worthy sees a link between a cause and an effect of something... just because it hasn't been posted on pubmed or something doesn't mean it isn't a viable strategy

in my understanding he does this with anadrol and winstrol/anavar to keep bodybuilders in the best shape(lean and not watery) all year round because times have changed with the internet and bodybuilders need to look good for all their appearances etc...

so it's a way of getting the effects of both drugs while reducing side effects mainly of the anadrol.. and I'm currently helpin 4 competitors get ready for shows and I've been using that method for orals with all of them with great results

I can private message you an interview that he touches on the subject and some of his other methods

that's interesting. always open to new theories and ideas. thanks for the reply.

 

[Harnold]

I agree, dbol shits on all AAS including the "amazing tren". Tren is nothing but side effects, dbol is GAINS.

Dbol: makes you big
Makes you happy
Makes you strong
Makes you eat

Tren: Makes you strong(def doesn't add much size for me at least)
Makes you pissed
Kills appetite
Anxiety

Tren may be a great steroid but it most CERTAINLY is nowhere near the best lol. Anavar shits on tren all day long if one can afford it. I def believe trens gains are extremely over hyped. Anyone I know who has ran both, has hands down had the best gains on dbol. Dbol adds mass in a caloric deficit and who gives a fuck if it's mostly water, it's weight and weight= power. Just ask the elephant or the grizzly bear.

Best orals

Dbol
Superdrol
Anavar

I'm with you on this bro, not a tren fan, and it usually leans me out regardless of what my diet intake is. makes me feel fcking horrible too.

 

[Southernfish]

I would best describe drol as D-Bols evil big brother. stronger, but with worse sides, including brutal fcking headaches and uncontrollable moon face water retention. my experience, and I've tried it with several combos, it bends me over and fcks every cycle I ever try with it. my 2cnts.

Not to mention completely killing the ability to eat.

 

[KBD]

I'm with you on this bro, not a tren fan, and it usually leans me out regardless of what my diet intake is. makes me feel fcking horrible too.

Tren def makes me veiny as fuck no doubt, but I never got these amazing strength gains and size gains that people continuously talk about. But when it comes to sheer mass and power, dbol throws tren out the door quicker than a father pissed at his daughters boyfriend for fornication in the house (lmao)

 

[bonexyster]

I get good mass gains and vascular on tren, I don't really notice any difference in strength or huge sweats and huge temperature raise. I'm jealous of the people that it rips so easily. It's little brother dienolone works very similarly for me but does give me strength and cuts me. I should stack them with a medium dose of both hmnmmmm

 

[KBD]

I get good mass gains and vascular on tren, I don't really notice any difference in strength or huge sweats and huge temperature raise. I'm jealous of the people that it rips so easily. It's little brother dienolone works very similarly for me but does give me strength and cuts me. I should stack them with a medium dose of both hmnmmmm

When I first did tren a while back (homebrew 100mg ml) I bought all this food for this perfect diet. I took tren and the only thing I noticed was extra vascularity. I got lean as Fuck but I was always eating 1800 calories, naturally an ectomorph, and went on walks every night, so those 3 things I believe contributed to my leaner harder physique not the tren. I didn't expierence any strength gains, strength loss would be a better term due to weigt loss, didn't even maintain strength, I was also running 500mg prop. Felt like I would have had the same gains and been able to actually breath without the tren. So all these horrible side effects just for a few extra veins? I'm good. No more tren for me ever again.

 

[Southernfish]

When I first did tren a while back (homebrew 100mg ml) I bought all this food for this perfect diet. I took tren and the only thing I noticed was extra vascularity. I got lean as Fuck but I was always eating 1800 calories, naturally an ectomorph, and went on walks every night, so those 3 things I believe contributed to my leaner harder physique not the tren. I didn't expierence any strength gains, strength loss would be a better term due to weigt loss, didn't even maintain strength, I was also running 500mg prop. Felt like I would have had the same gains and been able to actually breath without the tren. So all these horrible side effects just for a few extra veins? I'm good. No more tren for me ever again.

The strength gains and size gains from Tren I find is really calorie dependant. Cutting on Tren works well because of the feed efficiency, but in order to utilize it bulking effects you gotta pound that food and have that protein WAY up. When I ran it a few months back I ate like an absolute horse and the muscle appeared by the day and the fat still fell off.

Lots and lots of protein is key with tren, I used carbs in the morning and around my workouts tapering down as the day went on, and on days off from the gym I kept carbs pretty low but protein still very high. I gained a lot of muscle and strength and also lost fat. Hands down the best gains Ive had on any compound.

 

[bonexyster]

When I first did tren a while back (homebrew 100mg ml)ght all this food for this perfect diet. I took tren and the only thing I noticed was extra vascularity. I got lean as Fuck but I was always eating 1800 calories, naturally an ectomorph, and went on walks every night, so those 3 things I believe contributed to my leaner harder physique not the tren. I didn't expierence any strength gains, strength loss would be a better term due to weigt loss, didn't even maintain strength, I was also running 500mg prop. Felt like I would have had the same gains and been able to actually breath without the tren. So all these horrible side effects just for a few extra veins? I'm good. No more tren for me ever again.

You're one of the unresponsive people to tren. I was like that with m1t, everyone was gaining lots weight all I got was ed limp dick...literally and nothing eles I was so pissed.

 

[Southernfish]

You're one of the unresponsive people to tren. I was like that with m1t, everyone was gaining lots weight all I got was ed limp dick...literally and nothing eles I was so pissed.

Lol, can anybody get it up on M1T???? That stuff is brutal on the unit.

 

[bonexyster]

Lol, can anybody get it up on M1T???? That stuff is brutal on the unit.

When i cycled it I had just started talking to a new chick to bro, it was horrible. She kept trying to help me out and look up at me and I'd just shrug my shoulders and say I dunno lol. After 2 nights she told me she could tell I wasn't attacked to her. My bros blasted me for a month over that. I can laugh about it now.

 

[Southernfish]

When i cycled it I had just started talking to a new chick to bro, it was horrible. She kept trying to help me out and look up at me and I'd just shrug my shoulders and say I dunno lol. After 2 nights she told me she could tell I wasn't attacked to her. My bros blasted me for a month over that. I can laugh about it now.

Lol, awesome, oh man funny how we can look back at those times and laugh, I actually lost a gf my second time running that stuff. Just lost all interest in her and everything to do with it, couldn't have cared less about sex.

 

[KBD]

You're one of the unresponsive people to tren. I was like that with m1t, everyone was gaining lots weight all I got was ed limp dick...literally and nothing eles I was so pissed.

Maybe your right, tren just sucks for me. Oh well, still got my var . Hopefully this hgh will yield very good results.

 

[Teutonic]

Turanabol is not poor mans anavar. Anavar isn't that much more expensive than turanabol. In my experience turanabol is more powerful when compared to anavar at the 40-60mg range. When you go any higher anavar takes the win, less sides, better fat loss, strength is about the same.

Well that's 2 for 2 with no no sayers; however at 50 plus 6 months I m at the exact middle of my first year of the middle of my middle age which is 40-60 . Isn t it ironic...should I bucket list this or say -uck it to damn old.

 

[Reps4]

Planning to try Tren A next year and wanted to know what oral is best to stack with it.

I keep hearing about 'synergy' with various orals, but each page I find varies from one to another.

Dianabol, Anadrol, and Superdrol are some orals I've read are commonly stacked with Test P and Tren A.

Are any of those three clearly ahead of the others as far as being stacked with Test P and Tren A for putting on muscle?

Thanks.

Edit: I read 'complaints' that Anadrol causes a ton of water retention. I know that Dianabol causes some. And Superdrol sounds to cause even less. But what are the other tradeoffs?

I personally love sd on tren cycles, but if you go that direction I strongly recommend picking up some cycle support that includes tudca like arimicare pro at orbit nutrition. I say this because on my tren/sd/test cycle I lost my appetite very quickly which is a sign of liver stress. Good luck! Sd will treat you well if you choose to run it. Just take precautions.