Better kickstart? test prop and what else?

[Wake8er]

Hello brothers;

31 6'1 232: 15% BF: I am dieting natural next 4 weeks until cycle starts. Hopefully be 13-14% BF by 3rd week in April.
Planning on 24 week cycle
1-24 week primo 900mg
1-24 weeks test E or C 500 mg
1-4 test prop 300 mg
1-4: M1t or low dose dbol 20-25 mg ( I want to kick to build up strength)
16-24 anavar 40-60 mg.
.5 adex eod
250 iu hcg week
Pct; 50 mg clomid 4 weeks
NAC for liver support
Multivitamins
20 g of BCAA per day
Super clean diet;


QUESTION IS; low dose dbol or m1t to add to test prop kickstart? I did tbol last year with test p kickstart I didn't feel much from it. Also any Input is welcomed!

 

[jozifp103]

From what I hear, M1T blows any other oral out of the water as far as rapid mass gains. Also with side effects too unfortunately. But all that aside, it would probably make a great kick start.

 

[Uso]

Thats a long cycle to be coming off back to natural test. Whats the overall goal?
-Do you get blood work done?

M1t has been my personal favorite oral, very fast acting. Hardens me up very quickly and strength will certainly jump up. I'd pick it over dbol any day, I generally stop running it at 3wks, just don't see anything from it after that. I ran 20mg/daily

 

[oldmusclemike]

Do you really think you need the Anavar if your diet is on point? Remember how important your diet is. Just my 2 cents

 

[tbonexl]

You got a lot going on to just end your cycle with 4 weeks of clomid. Maybe you should re-evaluate which orals you should or shouldn't be taking...

 

[Uso]

You got a lot going on to just end your cycle with 4 weeks of clomid. Maybe you should re-evaluate which orals you should or shouldn't be taking...

What I'm thinking. Seems like a cut cycle but has compounds not really in line with that goal.

SIMPLIFY & SHORTEN! IMO

 

[Wake8er]

Thanks guys. Yes it is a cut cycle. I did same cycle last year but kickstart was test p and tbol. I will be getting bloodwork. Yes my compounds are in line with a cut. My diet will determine the cut. I can drop the anavar if necessary. I do feel comfortable running test and primo for 20-24 weeks in length.

 

[Southernfish]

I think you should go with the Dbol over M1T. I ran both a couple times and find the side effects outweigh the benefits with M1T by a lot. Plus Dbol makes you feel amazing!

I think the Adex dose is a little high for only 500mg or Test per week (and if it was me Id run E over C, just personal preference ). Id start with .25 EOD and adjust accordingly.

And PCT should include Nolva as well. With a lengthy cycle like this you want all the tools possible to aid in an efficient recovery. Also dont start the PCT too soon. Wait 3 weeks as opposed to the old school 2 weeks.

 

[Wake8er]

I think you should go with the Dbol over M1T. I ran both a couple times and find the side effects outweigh the benefits with M1T by a lot. Plus Dbol makes you feel amazing!

I think the Adex dose is a little high for only 500mg or Test per week (and if it was me Id run E over C, just personal preference ). Id start with .25 EOD and adjust accordingly.

And PCT should include Nolva as well. With a lengthy cycle like this you want all the tools possible to aid in an efficient recovery. Also dont start the PCT too soon. Wait 3 weeks as opposed to the old school 2 weeks.

Thanks. I will have adex at .25 mg EOD. I will add nolva into pct. I will also use test E; that is what I used last year. I like the idea of a low dosage dbol kick start, low dose for me cuz I am a big guy and I have ever used dbol. Also the primo 150 is aml. Top notch stuff!

 

[Uso]

Have you ever tried lowering test dose? It would require less of a AI to keep estro under control and higher anabolics are going to yield better results for hardening and lipolysis. Obviously diet will dictate results but why have higher androgens if not needed.
Guess it goes back to simplify for me. Why take more stuff for not much more of a result?

Also don't feel test p as a kickstarter will provide much especially at 300mgs, just more sides. If you want to "feel" it faster front load, and use an oral. I personally never got the euphoric feeling from dbol but I did feel unstoppable with m1t or adrol. I will agree harsh sides, which is why I always stopped at about wk 3 with those.

 

[tury694]

Gotta have both nolva and clomid for an aggressive pct after a brutal cycle like that.

 

[Southernfish]

Thanks. I will have adex at .25 mg EOD. I will add nolva into pct. I will also use test E; that is what I used last year. I like the idea of a low dosage dbol kick start, low dose for me cuz I am a big guy and I have ever used dbol. Also the primo 150 is aml. Top notch stuff!

Awesome!! That dose is gonna provide some excellent results man. And i may be a tad jealous

And just keep an eye on E2 and adjust the Adex if needed brother.

 

[BHAM27]

Are you going to record the entire 24 weeks on here? Id like to follow that ride. Schredder, I got your message. Thank you!

 

[Roush]

Front loading and using test prop along with test e at the start of the cycle will get your test levels up to the super physiological levels quicker,, So instead of hitting 4000+ ngdl of total test at week 6 or 7,, your there with the prop at week 3,, So you essentially get 4 extra weeks of those high levels and being anabolic..

Something like test prop 150 mg eod weeks 1-5 along with your test e
Dbol 40 mg ed weeks 1-5

 

[palmers]

Also double ur hcg dose... Not sure if i read it wrong but i read only 250ui of hcg/week

 

[Wake8er]

Are you going to record the entire 24 weeks on here? Id like to follow that ride. Schredder, I got your message. Thank you!

Yes I will be doing a log

 

[Wake8er]

Have you ever tried lowering test dose? It would require less of a AI to keep estro under control and higher anabolics are going to yield better results for hardening and lipolysis. Obviously diet will dictate results but why have higher androgens if not needed.
Guess it goes back to simplify for me. Why take more stuff for not much more of a result?

Also don't feel test p as a kickstarter will provide much especially at 300mgs, just more sides. If you want to "feel" it faster front load, and use an oral. I personally never got the euphoric feeling from dbol but I did feel unstoppable with m1t or adrol. I will agree harsh sides, which is why I always stopped at about wk 3 with those.

So you think 400 mg of test e and 800 mg of primo? 900 mg just easy to draw to the 150 mg per ML.

 

[Wake8er]

Also double ur hcg dose... Not sure if i read it wrong but i read only 250ui of hcg/week

Yes will do bro thanks will be 500 hcg per week

 

[Teutonic]

post up a pic man..that s a long serious but well thought out cycle....

Just nosey

Good luck

 

[Uso]

So you think 400 mg of test e and 800 mg of primo? 900 mg just easy to draw to the 150 mg per ML.

You could even go lower 200mg/wk for libido etc. Something to play around with, I've enjoyed running lower test with deca or tren.
But yes I'd up your anabolics