Blood Lab Results from CJC1295/MK677/clomid/nolva =High test and high IGF1

[francosiciliano]

So I did a sort 6wk cycle of osta which tanked my test lvls to 140. I did a month of pct clomid 70/35/35/35 and nolva 40/20/20/20. After 2month I did blood work which was in February and my lab results looked like this:


Testosterone, Serum 394
348-1197 ng/dL 01

Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH 8.2
1.7-8.6 mIU/mL 01
FSH, Serum
FSH 5.9
1.5-12.4 mIU/mL 01

Estradiol
Estradiol <5.0
LOW 7.6-42.6 pg/mL 01

Obviously my test came up a bunch which is great but still on the low side. I figured I would do another round of pct with the same clomid+nolva protocol and see if I could get my balls a little more revved up since my test results were still lower in the normal range and I feel like they didn't really grow back to the normal size they were before the osta. This april test was done 4days after I stopped the clomid+nolva and I was taking Mk677 25mg ed and cjc1295 1mg twice a week.

Testosterone, Serum 1120
348-1197 ng/dL 01

LH 8.7
HIGH 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL 01

FSH 8.5
1.5-12.4 mIU/mL 01

Estradiol 38.9
7.6-42.6 pg/mL 01

Insulin-Like Growth Factor I 212
83-233 ng/mL 02

Growth Hormone, Serum 2.9
0.0-10.0 ng/mL 02

As you can see my test lvl are very high and my IGF1 is almost out of the normal range. I assume the cjc1295+mk677 has elevated the IGF1 lvls to 212 but my HGH seems a bit low since I would expect it to be elevated but the cjc and mk as well.

Over the course of the last month I have put on 3lbs and 1/2inch on my arms and a noticeable increase in strength. With test lvls nearly 3 times my normal lvl why can't I just take clomid and nolva for a few months straight while taking mk+cjc as well? When I see ppl post their steroid cycle bloods everyone gets excited about seeing their test above 1000 and Im excited about my test being that high but don't see why I would do a cycle of cyponate which is much more harmful to me long term to get my test to the same place.

 

[francosiciliano]

BTW I had taken a 1mg dose of cjc the day before the blood work and the MK677 25mg 2hrs before the blood work.

 

[juced_porkchop]

thanks for the thread man!

yeah i was going to ask about igf but that makes sense if you took cjc and mk677 right before testing.

well you see the SERMS will up test to a degree but over all will not yield much results. unless using it for furtility i would just stick to cycles of test and have a good PCT in place. maybe do 5 weeks next time and always wait 6-8 weeks before going for bloods after stopping the SERMS imo

 

[francosiciliano]

Thx. I didn't wait because I wanted to see how much the SERMS raised my test. I will get more bloods in 2months again to see if I have a higher baseline or if it goes back to about 400 again. Now that I know that the cjc/mk raise my IGF1 I intend on continuing the cjc and mk677 for about 4-6months (maybe longer) to see if it helps my bum knee a bit. I understand what you're saying when comparing cycles of test to taking a serm but I in my case nearly tripling my test without actually taking test is pretty nice. Maybe it doesn't have as much of an effect for others which as a general rule it is probably a waste of time. Since I have already noticed a difference in my performance which before starting the serms I was actually losing strength and weight and feeling like shit. What is the harm of taking serms for 2-3months if I continue to benefit like I have been? BTW I am extremely hesitant to take that next step of illegality to start cycling hgh or cyponate to make gains if there is an alternative that seems to be working for now.

Thx for all the past and future advice.

 

[axgzl01]

Right now I am at the 3rd week of Nolva, Clomid, Aromasin for my PCT. It definitely increased my test. I will get a blood test in about 2 weeks to see what level I am at.

Btw, how old are you?

 

[Roush]

Over the course of the last month I have put on 3lbs and 1/2inch on my arms and a noticeable increase in strength. With test lvls nearly 3 times my normal lvl why can't I just take clomid and nolva for a few months straight while taking mk+cjc as well? When I see ppl post their steroid cycle bloods everyone gets excited about seeing their test above 1000 and Im excited about my test being that high but don't see why I would do a cycle of cyponate which is much more harmful to me long term to get my test to the same place.

if by 'cycle' you actually mean a real AAS cycle and not just TRT ,, then getting test levels to the 1000 range would be an utter and complete disappintment (the gear would have to be severely under dosed if taking a cycle of 600mg of test only puts you there).

a cycle should put you in the superphysioligical range of 4000-6000+ nd/dl, , not a measly 1000 . in order to get a strong anabolic response and start packing on the muscle you need to get to these levels. 1000 is basically just maintenance or atrophy prevention (dependent on age and other health factors).

if in the course of a month and you've only put on 3 pounds, its because your test levels are normal and not even close to super physiological levels to get a strong anabolic response; run a real cycle and you'll be putting on 3-5 pounds a week, not 3 pounds a month (dependent on diet and training)

 

[francosiciliano]

Im almost 40 right now. I know this is hard to believe but 3pounds a months is good in my book. Im a long term planner so I don't really care about how huge I can get in a month. I only want to gain 10-15Lbs anyway so if I can do that in a more healthy way that minimizes problems that I will have to deal with later in life than Im perfectly fine with that. I appreciate the info to put things into perspective of 1000 vs4000+ test range.

Based on this post by Stonecold on this forum Im on track for being similar to someone in this study taking 300enanthate for 20weeks. This info is what Im using to base my past posts on.

The following is part of a thread by heavyiron over at MD, the full abstact can be found here..Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism


The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone***8217;s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline

IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase