Blood Pressure = High. Please Help.
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Wormwood
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How many times has your blood pressure been recorded that high?
First off, I'm no doctor but that is not what I would consider high...... Before I finally listened to my wife and got on meds my BP was 190/115.
My norm on meds & Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is now 115/77 with a pulse of 75.
If your having BP issues DO NOT FUCK AROUND!!!! Get to your Doc and get it fixed. It's amazing what a few little pills will do for you.
Ask yourself, is my LIFE really worth trying to self-medicate???
My norm on meds & Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is now 115/77 with a pulse of 75.
If your having BP issues DO NOT FUCK AROUND!!!! Get to your Doc and get it fixed. It's amazing what a few little pills will do for you.
Ask yourself, is my LIFE really worth trying to self-medicate???
Wormwood
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152/76 is pretty high.
But...I personally don't think that he has high BP. Especially as he has never had issues in the past. This is why I want to know if he has had a high reading before. If he has not....then the BP could have been taken wrong...or he could have had what is known as "white coat" hypertension. Anxiety over having your BP taken causes very large spikes in certain individuals from time to time. The OP could have been nervous because he was on AA's and knew that this may cause a spike in BP. This is a VERY common phenomenon guys. Happens all the time.
OP...what other values has your BP been taken at?
But...I personally don't think that he has high BP. Especially as he has never had issues in the past. This is why I want to know if he has had a high reading before. If he has not....then the BP could have been taken wrong...or he could have had what is known as "white coat" hypertension. Anxiety over having your BP taken causes very large spikes in certain individuals from time to time. The OP could have been nervous because he was on AA's and knew that this may cause a spike in BP. This is a VERY common phenomenon guys. Happens all the time.
OP...what other values has your BP been taken at?
I looked up what the AMA considers to be "normal" BP and told my Doc that is where I wanted my BP to be.
He looked at me and said "Sure, I can get your BP that low if you don't mind passing out when you stand up".
And he continued to inform me that the larger you are, the more your BP will be.
Once again, I'm only passing along my experience and am no expert on anything....
After hearing about having to get yours extremities amputated because high BP I was FREAKING OUT and do not take it for granted any longer...
I am 6' & 235lbs. Hitting real close to 50 years old.
Take it for what you will... It's your life and that's all I'm going to add to this thread.
He looked at me and said "Sure, I can get your BP that low if you don't mind passing out when you stand up".
And he continued to inform me that the larger you are, the more your BP will be.
Once again, I'm only passing along my experience and am no expert on anything....
After hearing about having to get yours extremities amputated because high BP I was FREAKING OUT and do not take it for granted any longer...
I am 6' & 235lbs. Hitting real close to 50 years old.
Take it for what you will... It's your life and that's all I'm going to add to this thread.
Anything over 120/80 to 135/85 is pre-hypertensive with an increased risk of heart attack and stroke. Over 135/85 is high blood pressure with a triple the risk of heart attack and stroke. Greybeard having a systolic of 190 jis considered malignant high blood pressure and can easily pop a gasket in your brain particulary when you exercise your systolic can easily get to 250 or more with just cardio let alone weight lifting. Your heart mustve looked like a meatball lol. Good to hear you got it under control. And about your docs point about passing out while standing up, thats just if you have a quick shift from a high bp to a low one suddenly, the body wont be used to it. Done in a more gradual manner with titrating bp meds that wont happen. If you do it overnight, well thats when youll get the orthostatic hypotension and feel crummy. He's right on big people having higher blood pressures, thats also why big people are more at risk for heart attack and stroke, not a reason to not get into the normal range lol.
OP, diuretics will help to some degree. You can try that but also you can keep a log at home with a bp monitor. You can fake it I suppose and make your log up with an entry for twice a day. Each one you enter should be between 110/70 to 125/80. Throw it a couple 130/82 and a couple lower 105/70 say you got an Omron bp machine with a large cuff from Walmart. He'll write it off as white coat syndrome.
But then you really should just get some bp meds and not rely on nonprescription garbage b/c if you really are taking AAS and have high bloodpressure, your heart will thicken which is a negative predictor for mortality. Meaning it predicts things that are negative.
Then take some herbal diuretics you can get at the health food store just look them up. Couple that with going low carb, I mean zero carbs, low salt for 4 days and your bp will be in the normal range for your appointment, low carb deplete glycogen which dumps water from your system which has a potent diuretic effect.
Getting a bp monitorge cuff as small cuffs will ke sure you get a large cuff as small cuffs will incorrectly inflate your bp numbers if you are a weightlifter with large arms. So make sure at your appt you make sure they use the larger one, lots of idiot medical assistants and nurses make that mistake on big arms.
Dont ever rely on OTC meds for long term bp control, it doesnt work> lots of cardio and low bodyfat can do it naturally with low salt but the average person will not stick with that. Its especially hard to do with AAS as that has the opposite effect in most cases than diuretics holding onto fluid and in the anabolic effect exacerbates the increase in heart thickness that occurs with high bp, a double whammy.
Hope that helps and dont blow off your bp after this. They dont call it the silent killer for nothing.
Hope that helps
OP, diuretics will help to some degree. You can try that but also you can keep a log at home with a bp monitor. You can fake it I suppose and make your log up with an entry for twice a day. Each one you enter should be between 110/70 to 125/80. Throw it a couple 130/82 and a couple lower 105/70 say you got an Omron bp machine with a large cuff from Walmart. He'll write it off as white coat syndrome.
But then you really should just get some bp meds and not rely on nonprescription garbage b/c if you really are taking AAS and have high bloodpressure, your heart will thicken which is a negative predictor for mortality. Meaning it predicts things that are negative.
Then take some herbal diuretics you can get at the health food store just look them up. Couple that with going low carb, I mean zero carbs, low salt for 4 days and your bp will be in the normal range for your appointment, low carb deplete glycogen which dumps water from your system which has a potent diuretic effect.
Getting a bp monitorge cuff as small cuffs will ke sure you get a large cuff as small cuffs will incorrectly inflate your bp numbers if you are a weightlifter with large arms. So make sure at your appt you make sure they use the larger one, lots of idiot medical assistants and nurses make that mistake on big arms.
Dont ever rely on OTC meds for long term bp control, it doesnt work> lots of cardio and low bodyfat can do it naturally with low salt but the average person will not stick with that. Its especially hard to do with AAS as that has the opposite effect in most cases than diuretics holding onto fluid and in the anabolic effect exacerbates the increase in heart thickness that occurs with high bp, a double whammy.
Hope that helps and dont blow off your bp after this. They dont call it the silent killer for nothing.
Hope that helps
BimmerDude
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Self medicating with diuretics isn't a good idea and, depending on the diuretic, it can be dangerous. Diuretics can mess up your fluid/electrolyte balance and cause far more serious short-term problems than that blood pressure will.
A blood pressure of 152/76 is a bit high but nowhere near critical. Moderately high blood pressure has to remain high over an extended period of time before it causes damage. I wouldn't be fretting about 152/76. Your diastolic number is good. You may be able to drop the systolic number without getting on any meds. Stress and anxiety might be the cause so slow down and de-stress. That alone might do it.
Trying to trick the BP machine into giving a lower reading wouldn't be productive, even if you could do it. If your BP is high you need to know how high it actually is. That's the only way your doc will know which meds and the appropriate doses of them to put you on (if that becomes necessary). Monitoring it at home is also a good reinforcement tool for you to be consistent with taking these medications. What often happens with some people is that they take the meds and then stop when they start seeing lower BP readings on the machine. Or they begin to miss doses here and there, or they take the meds whenever they feel like.
How many times have you had it checked? This question is important. You need to have your BP checked at least a few times with a consistently high reading each time. It can't be diagnosed with just one check because a temporary stressful situation could have caused it to spike, and it might have resolved on its own. You won't 'feel' any differently either way. But if you begin routinely taking meds to drop it lower when it is already within normal range then you will drop it too low and end up going too far hypo. And you'll find yourself passing out or falling down every time you get up.
Natehayes
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Sounds goofy, but make sure you don't drink coffee before you get your blood pressure tested.
It does not affect everyone, but I can tell you it elevates my blood pressure fairly significantly. It's temporary of course, but still pushes my ok/borderline pressure to not so ok every time.
It does not affect everyone, but I can tell you it elevates my blood pressure fairly significantly. It's temporary of course, but still pushes my ok/borderline pressure to not so ok every time.
guambomb
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Listen to this advice. Poster has accurate knowledge of physiology and gives appropriate advice.
I just want to mention an event that occurred with me right after a workout where I got my BP measured. I came out of a spinning class in which I had lost a lot of total body water via perspiration. I got my blood pressure measured and it was very low (due to a low effective circulating volume).
BUT--if you try this, beware of what is called "reflex tachycardia." The body will sense a low blood pressure and make the heart pump harder and faster to deliver blood to vital organs.
jamesfitch1
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Also consider the walk from the vehicle to the dr's office. That actually makes a difference. Make sure he has your arm at or above heart level, that makes a difference. Also test e will raise your BP on its own. What is your BP when you are off cycle? If nothing else ask the doc to give you a very low dose of something. Possibly lisinopril or some other BP med. Everytime I went to the doc my BP was 138/85 or close to that, but only in his office. He put me on a med, but I never took it. Get yourself a BP monitor if you haven't already and take your pressure everyday at the same time and record it between and now your next visit and carry it with you when you go. This will give and your doc a good idea of what happens day to day as you go about it. The best kind is the wrist monitor type. I would also suggest some cardio if you aren't already doing it. Just trying to help, then again I am new here so I may need to be quiet.
Thanks I appreciate that you know that I know lol
Hey so as for your spin class bp. Youre right on about loss of fluid decreasing your bp to drop, Ive done that many times myself, in fact, I skip the HCTZ diuretic days I do my heavy cardio which drenches my shirt down to my shorts for that very reason. Who needs to pee out the volume when it leaves the body via the sweat glands, different route, same effect.
But also as you probably already know but others may not, that immediately post-exercise you will be vaso-dilated meaning your vasculature will have much more volume available for a now decreased blood volume meaning the pressure will be that much lower.
Cardio with heavy sweating is the same as taking an ace inhibitor with hctz (mild diuretic). Ace dilates while hctz decreases blood volume, resulting in lower bp.
So yeah, you did it the natural way
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No need to be quiet bro, you gave solid advice on the bp, keep it up! People who give good advice on bp are the minority in my experience online offering golgi berries instead of lisinopril lol, they dont even know what lisinopril does or how golgi berries work (like hctz only weaker and dose is hit or miss depending on supplement maker, why people would take that instead of scientifically dosed and purified and safe diuretic I have no idea).
The only think I differ with you on is the wrist monitor. Best is a properly fitted cuff taken manually with a mercury manometer. Followed by a anaeroid gauge manual read that is tested against mercury (the gold standard). Followed by properly fitted cuff in an oscillometric (used by virtually all electronic bp monitors) machine on the arm at the level of the heart. Having it at the level of the heart prevents errors with hydrostatic pressures i.e. having a wrist monitor taking it as it is outstretched above the head like reaching for the stars, will reduce the hydrostatic pressure by say 20 points, if wrist is held straight down by hip, hydrostatic vascular pressure will increase it by 20 or so points depending on length of the arm (much more so if taken on the ankle). Having it on the arm in my experience having tested them against wrist monitors I find that wrist monitors in general are less accurate and Ive tested dozens and dozens of these machines vs mercury manometers over the years.
As for the walk in, right on, activity increases systolic as does anxiety and his bp has a normal diastolic but high systolic which leads one to believe that is what happened, either in an anxious or exercised state.
Keep posting
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Aviduser
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Every time I visit the doctor the nurse says my blood pressure is a little high 135-140 to 80-90, but my doctor says that the average blood pressure is 120 over 80, and that is simply average and that some of us might just run a little hot 
Avid, I hope he isnt saying that "some of us just run a little hot" and that it doesnt need to be treated. There is a mountain of scientific data stating that position clearly leads to hypertensive early mortality and morbidity. If he isnt treating that blood pressure then you need to find yourself a new doctor. 120/80 is the cutoff for pre-hypertensive, if the trend line of multiple bps is above 135/85 then the guidelines state that it needs to be treated with medicines. It has nothing to do with averages, it has to do with pressure exerted against the walls of the arterial system and the afterload the heart is pumping against. When high both the heart and arterial system will overtime become damaged. The endothelium lining the arteries can become less smooth and nicked leading to atherosclerotic arterial disease as well as coronary (precursor to myocardial infarctions/heart attack) and carotid plaque ruptures as well as hemorrhagic stroke, just in the arterial system.
Then there is the heart which can thicken over time causing the heart muscle to become more stiff (diastolic dysfunction) which can cause heart failure over time, as well as increased LVEDP (left ventricular end diastolic pressure) which is the most common cause of atrial fibrillation. AFIB is a condition of irregular irregularity of the electrical system with its own subset of issues. Such as clot forming in the left atrial appendage being the leading cause of embolic stroke (clot).
Not to mention, kidney damage and other end organ disease such as ocular (eye) or any other end organ containing capillaries (hint, all of them contain capillaries).
Blowing off a diagnosis of elevated blood pressure given current understanding of the disease process is a sure sign of a bad physician. Sadly, although great strides have been made in improving physician and patient treatment, it is still seen far too commonly.
I guarantee that if you have been running over 135/85 and taking AAS you heart will show signs of hypertensive heart disease, which as I mentioned is an independent and negative predictor of mortality and morbidity and completely preventable.
On AAS, I recommend your blood pressure be treated to lower than 110/70, the lower the better and its easy to do with inexpensive generic drugs, Ive never met a blood pressure I couldnt fix.
Bottom line, if you are serious and your doctor is not getting your bp under proper control, I wonder how competent he is on more complex medical problems as hypertension is like the easiest thing to diagnose and fix.
Since it affects every organ system and can result in catastrophic outcomes if left untreated for long enough, I would highly recommend finding a new physician that is current on the guidelines and treatment of this medical issue, if he/she thinks that the cutoff for high blood pressure is still 140/90, he/she needs to retire or educate himself on this century's medical practices (or the last 15 years of the last century), too many incompetent dinosaurs out there and that is scary.
If you need help on getting control of your bp, feel free to pm me and I'll sort you out
geez, its Christmas and here I am online talking bp, thats even more scary lol
Then there is the heart which can thicken over time causing the heart muscle to become more stiff (diastolic dysfunction) which can cause heart failure over time, as well as increased LVEDP (left ventricular end diastolic pressure) which is the most common cause of atrial fibrillation. AFIB is a condition of irregular irregularity of the electrical system with its own subset of issues. Such as clot forming in the left atrial appendage being the leading cause of embolic stroke (clot).
Not to mention, kidney damage and other end organ disease such as ocular (eye) or any other end organ containing capillaries (hint, all of them contain capillaries).
Blowing off a diagnosis of elevated blood pressure given current understanding of the disease process is a sure sign of a bad physician. Sadly, although great strides have been made in improving physician and patient treatment, it is still seen far too commonly.
I guarantee that if you have been running over 135/85 and taking AAS you heart will show signs of hypertensive heart disease, which as I mentioned is an independent and negative predictor of mortality and morbidity and completely preventable.
On AAS, I recommend your blood pressure be treated to lower than 110/70, the lower the better and its easy to do with inexpensive generic drugs, Ive never met a blood pressure I couldnt fix.
Bottom line, if you are serious and your doctor is not getting your bp under proper control, I wonder how competent he is on more complex medical problems as hypertension is like the easiest thing to diagnose and fix.
Since it affects every organ system and can result in catastrophic outcomes if left untreated for long enough, I would highly recommend finding a new physician that is current on the guidelines and treatment of this medical issue, if he/she thinks that the cutoff for high blood pressure is still 140/90, he/she needs to retire or educate himself on this century's medical practices (or the last 15 years of the last century), too many incompetent dinosaurs out there and that is scary.
If you need help on getting control of your bp, feel free to pm me and I'll sort you out
geez, its Christmas and here I am online talking bp, thats even more scary lol
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Aviduser
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UODUCKS,
My doctor is a middle aged, pretty aggressive doctor, he's not treating me for anything yet because im only 28 or in his eyes still young. Trust me he's the first one to write a script to get a health issue under control.
My doctor is a middle aged, pretty aggressive doctor, he's not treating me for anything yet because im only 28 or in his eyes still young. Trust me he's the first one to write a script to get a health issue under control.
Italiano SPO
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I take a small dose of (10mg) lisinopril every day just to keep my blood pressure in check and it runs 96/58 most of the time or close and I have no problem walking around without passing out. I make sure I take something because I know how gear can elevate it. There are many places you can get BP meds from if you don't want your doctor prescribing it for you. I tell my doc everything so I get whatever I need in respect to meds.
Italiano SPO
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Lisinopril is $10 for a 90 days supply at Walmart. You will need a script of course but that's dirt cheap if your physician will write it for you....which he/she should.
jamesfitch1
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UODUCKS: Thank you for the vote of confidence, I appreciate it. I must agree with you about the best BP monitor. You are absolutely right.
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