Blood testing....a necessity in AAS usage
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roccodart440
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swale, have you ever been able to reverse hypogonadism and avoid Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)? Reason I ask is I have low test and am only 27. Not a habitual Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user either. I used once whe I was about 20.
My LH was in the high normal. FSH was normal low to mid. test was 318/384 normal is 400-1080
I would think it's my testes shortchanging me. I tried a clomid/nolva combo and had some good resuitls but no boodtest to back it up.
any comments?
My LH was in the high normal. FSH was normal low to mid. test was 318/384 normal is 400-1080
I would think it's my testes shortchanging me. I tried a clomid/nolva combo and had some good resuitls but no boodtest to back it up.
any comments?
Micromegas
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SWALE said:
I don't see the difference. If it's legal to use as evidence in criminal proceedings than what difference does it make if it's ethical or not for the doctor to rat you out?
Doctor rats you out...You get investigated and found to be using AAS...Doctor gets sued and you still go to jail.
In reference to the dr/pt confidientiality, there are certain crimes that fall under "mandatory reporting policies". They are almost all crimes where abuse and/or neglect has occured. The second stipulation is that is usually that the victim is a person who is unable to advocate for themselves (i.e. minors, the elderly and mentally/physically handicapped. You are also protected by HIPPA act. Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Act.
If you are going to harm someone by using steroids, it will be yourself (if even that). Now if you told your doctor that you are selling steroids, he might be obligated to report that. But he would legally not be able to just assume you sell if you just said you use steroids.
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roccodart440
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SWALE said:
How? What would be your protocol for this?
GymLift
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1) The evidence from the physician isn't applicable in court.Micromegas said:
2) The authorities aren't going to go through all that trouble for a personal possession issue. The federal laws aren't really even strong enough to get a conviction. At the state level, it is possible, but.... well, they aren't going to be able to get a warrant to search your home from illegal evidence from a physician. Nor do they care to bother.
The only exceptions are people of interest (celebrities, people that the police have been trying to get for other crimes, etc).
What _is_ true is that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use _is_ illegal in the United States and many other places. And on these boards, it does seem like people often forget that.
Micromegas
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Does anyone have any sources dealing with this? I can't really just take your word for it when it comes to something as major as this.
Micromegas
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SWALE said:
1.Even doctors can be wrong.
2.Doctors aren't lawyers so getting law advice from a doctor doesn't make sense.
I can't seem to find any sources dealing with "mandatory reporting policies" either.
However you are incorrect about doctor patient privilege applying to all states.
http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/89978
Also we can make a new thread for this if you want.
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GymLift
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What state does not have a doctor patient privledge? The web page you references mentioned specific exceptions on a per-state basis, but I didn't notice any state not having a doctor-patient privledge.Micromegas said:
Do any of the state exceptions allow a physician to disclose to law enforcement that a person is using anabolic steroids?
By far, the legal expert when it comes to anabolic steroids is Rick Collins, J.D.. However, I'm sure his time is very expensive.Micromegas said:
Incidentally, I belive that Rick Collins and Dr. John Crisler (SWALE) know each other.
Micromegas--I fear your silly paranoia may be to the detriment of others.
Do you not think I know what I can and cannot do? Do you think we are not required to undergo many hours of training in these ethical issues?
Don't be swayed by this nonsense, guys. If you can get find a doctor who will run your labs for you, count your blessings.
Do you not think I know what I can and cannot do? Do you think we are not required to undergo many hours of training in these ethical issues?
Don't be swayed by this nonsense, guys. If you can get find a doctor who will run your labs for you, count your blessings.
Micromegas
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All i'm pointing out is that each state differs and before you go and disclose your personal matters to a doctor when you're doing something illegal you should research all of the rules and exceptions in your state dealing with doctor patient confidentiality.
As a matter of a fact saying that all state have solid doctor patient confidentiality rules without exceptions is a detriment to others as they could put themselves in legal risk.
Mranak,Pennsylvania for instance has doctor patient confidentiality limited to civil matters only, Not criminal.
In South Dakota Physician-patient privilege is expressly recognized but is waived for criminal proceedings.
As a matter of a fact saying that all state have solid doctor patient confidentiality rules without exceptions is a detriment to others as they could put themselves in legal risk.
Mranak,Pennsylvania for instance has doctor patient confidentiality limited to civil matters only, Not criminal.
In South Dakota Physician-patient privilege is expressly recognized but is waived for criminal proceedings.
Micromegas
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SWALE said:
Maybe..Maybe not,I'm not familar with wether or not you can sue the doctor if he testifies against you at a trail but I do know that in some states(Pennsylvania & South Dakota as far as I can tell) the doctor legaly can disclose your drug use to the authorities and it can be used as evidence agaisnt you. Which is why one should do alot of research into the matter before they decide to disclose their illegal activities to a health care professional.
