Building the perfect WARRIOR - for combat

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Iam_Esso

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It is widely believed that the Germans used performance enhancing substances during WWII.

I would like to open a debate: How would we build the perfect combat warrior /soldier...with the following things to keep in mind:

Strength, Endurance, Aggression, Recovery, Focus

Also, how would you train that warrior to prepare him for combat (in addition to normal military training)

I will lead off by stating my thoughts:

Chemicals:
High dose of Testosterone, probably long acting like Test Enanthate or Cyp
HGH for mental focus, rest, recovery and to maintain lean body mass
Some form of an ADD/ADHD med for extreme focus and alertness
Deca for joint maintenance

Training:
Circuit training with a fast tempo
Yoga for core strength and balance


What other ideas are out there.
 
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The perfect warrior-I have heard of the germans giving there military "supplements".

I think that TEST lower dose like 200 a week just enough to get them moving but not enough to make them too big and bloated. HGH 2iu a day, some kind of upper for mental clearness. Pain killer before combat like nubain or something that will not "knock them out". I have read that persian and roman warriors were given opium before and during combat so that they would not hurt and could continue on if they were hurt etc. B-12 shots and a good vitamin so they do not get sick. Food-lean meats, vegetables, some fruits dependant on sugar contents. some complex carbs.
Workout regime-modified seal training most of this kind of training is for the brain to get them into a mind set. So I would lower the cardio a bit and add weight training and/or stability training to the mix. Some mind focusing drills like keeping them in combat situations consistantly throughout the week with a day or two of good rest and food so they can recover.
Specialization-to certain weapons, marksmanship, and good with a knife

I had a math teacher in college that was in Vietnam, and was in the Special forces in the army. He said that they had these special "Combat Packs" that they were given before any major raid or ambush. In the "Packs" he said he took more than a few of them. That in them there where roids like dbol, speed, pain meds, vitamins, etc. You were suppose to take them if you thought you were going to die. He said they made you feel like superman in like 20mins. If you were hurt like a broken bone or shot you could get up and run or turn and face the enemy, you didn't care about pain or hunger or being scared or tired you could stay awake for days if you keep taking them.
He had to take them for 5 days he had enough for 2 weeks. He had been shot left for dead and had to walk like 40 miles to get back to base. Pretty cool stuff...amazing what the government will allow the troops to take or be exposed too. Back then he said the Combat packs were common practice for special teams like navy seals, special forces etc. and that they had been using this practice for a long time
 
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i actually think the opposite. i think the more you give em the less of that perfect warrior they would be. the idea of making a perfect warrior is having someone that can go anywhere, anytime, in any condition and with nothing, still performing far better then an average man. i think if you pump that "soldier" up and have him become more and more dependent over time the less effective he would be. sure he may be great when in a lab or training situation, freshly "supplemented" and going for stats but what if that same solder found him self in the middle of the jungle with nothing more then his knife for days /weeks on end, no supplements. no post cycle therapy (pct), no help?!? that's the whole purpose of sf training breaking you down far past your worst with no food, water, clothes, sleep, etc and still conditioning you to exceed the rest! just think as a body builder most cant even go through the day without eating this, or taking that, just imagine taking some of the biggest/baddest guys on here and starving them for days from food and rest then ask them to not only do there best workout ever but exceed it, what would happen? just my thoughts, but have any of you seen the "future soldier" on the military channel with the computerized body suits that actually think and act for the solder? we are much closer then you may think, it showed a guy jumping like thirty feet in the air because the shit had this type of computerize muscle fiber that could act as a human but with much greater power, and that's just the simple shit this thing did! could actually it s like the military is trying to follow the terminator movies and seem to be doing a damn good job!
 
Well I respectfully disagree. Mental toughness will only get you so far.

I am in the military, going into my second branch of the service. I first went into the corps at 17, now I am going into a different branch.

My brother was in special forces, 3rd force recon to be specific and I will tell you that like anything else the constant riggers of combat do take a toll on the body and I think there is no doubt that performance enhancing substances (PES) can be beneficial.

Food and sleep deprivation take a huge amount out of you. PES's can definitely give you an edge.

Anyone who has played an extremely competitive sport and used PES's can attest to that.





Reap said:
Good diet, lots of fruit and veggies, plenty of complex carbs and lean meats. In my opinion, all the special forces soldiers we have are already the perfect warriors. Its a mindset more than a physical thing. Your body follows your mind. Injecting a ton of shit into yourself for the purpose of making yourself a warrior is only going to fuck you up before too long. I dont think there are many things that would help you run for longer. The few things there are all lead to complications sooner than later:-)
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I've been in the military 20 years and I tend to agree with gethugeagain more than anyone. Having a chemical edge is great but I have seen the most in shape studs who didn't have what it took to make it. They were mentally weak! I've seen the scrawniest runt kick ass. Look at Audie Murphy during WW2, he's a good example everyone has heard of.

The military has experimented with AAS; I know a few guys who went through these experiments. Don't ask me why, after these experiments, the military didn't adopt it as medical protocol. The military has a proven training regimen that works great and shouldn't change it. We have to know how our body reacts under the stress of no food and no sleep. The only thing ever given to me to combat sleep dep was adderall(my unit no longer does this, I didnt really like it)

The only way to describe it is that you have to "train as you fight". You don't always get proper nutrition, sleep, and supplements when you're in the middle of the helmand.

As far as the "combat packs", I think your math teacher was pulling your leg.
 
gymlion77 said:
Seriously know one that was or is in the military has heard of these "packs"?
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I never heard of them and I've been in 20 years. None of the civilians I work with who were in SF during Nam have ever heard of them. In fact, they laughed when I asked them.
 
cherigo18cdz said:
I never heard of them and I've been in 20 years. None of the civilians I work with who were in SF during Nam have ever heard of them. In fact, they laughed when I asked them.
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Man my teacher was a liar....man that sucks he really had me going :)
 
the perfect soldier wouldn't be on AAS.

the best soldiers are tough smart and able to survive ridiculous situations with little food or water. Smaller guys are less detectable in combat.

The bigger you are the harder it is to hide in a gun fight. The bigger you are the easier it is to find and shoot you.

Being a soldier is a skill.

Look at the history of the medal of honor winners.
 
being big is a pointless goal if u're a soldier.. you can be as big as u want, a 50kg guy that has been training martial arts, self defense and to use weapons will beat your ass in 2msec

IMO having big muscles is a pointless goal if you can't use them
 
I am watching bourne supremacy I understand what you are saying about being little and kicking ass and being quick and not slow. I get it, but I like the idea of what would be the perfect warrior as Esso stated! :)
 
The term "Combat Cocktail" comes from the movie "Basic" With Johnny Revolting. In the movie it was steroids and demerol. It's just a movie folks.


But the Germans in WW2 did use drugs for the "Lighting War" (Blitzkrieg.) Adolf wanted a synthetic version of cocaine. What he got was methamphetamine. This is the main reason the Germans lost the war. Hitler was on Meth all the time. Made him stupid and crazy.
 
getfitdoc said:
the perfect soldier wouldn't be on AAS.

the best soldiers are tough smart and able to survive ridiculous situations with little food or water. Smaller guys are less detectable in combat.

The bigger you are the harder it is to hide in a gun fight. The bigger you are the easier it is to find and shoot you.

Being a soldier is a skill.

Look at the history of the medal of honor winners.
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Nice concept but in reality it isn't so. Now days a soldier carries so much gear that bigger stronger guys move a lot faster than small guys. We are carrying body armor, ammo, weapon, water, a pack with small amt of supplies, medical gear. It's insane. You're comment hasn't been true for a long time.

Besides most americans are bigger on average than most foreigners..
 
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