Can Bloodwork T be lowered while taking T?

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Jeffo

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I've read a lot about lowering testosterone naturally for those who are on the edge and want to lower it to be able to start TRT.

I'm on TRT and on my way increasing the dosage, but my doc is really conservative and things are going veerrrryyy slow. I want him to know things aren't going anywhere yet and would like my next blood work to show that it really isn't. Are those natural ways of lowering T (no sleep, alcohol, high blood sugar etc.) going to work with exogenous T? Thanks.
 
Thats not what this forum is about. What you are asking goes against forum rules....
You're asking flat out how to cheat labs.
You honestly don't know the answer to this?
 
Sorry about that. I thought it was discussed before here, but I may have my forums mixed up.

I honestly don't know if exogenous test is different that natural in this circumstance. I want to emphasize how slow things are going. I don't want more test, I just want him to go quicker and know that what he's doing isn't getting it done, but I know it's still deceitful.
 
It is not the same as Natty. 100% of you T comes from what you inject. You reallybhave two choices for lowering your TT level. 1) Inject less or 2) Allow more of it to aromatize into estradiol. #1 is the best and easiest option if you self inject.
 
Megatron28 said:
It is not the same as Natty. 100% of you T comes from what you inject. You reallybhave two choices for lowering your TT level. 1) Inject less or 2) Allow more of it to aromatize into estradiol. #1 is the best and easiest option if you self inject.
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Thank you for the info. That's what I needed to know. I'm not able to mess with it, so I'll just have to complain more. He's a good listener, it's just going so slow. I even went backwards (T level went lower) at one point. I don't know if that's normal, but I'm only back to the point where it was before it went down. It's been about four months of injections. Docs and their protocols! The typical old fashioned one for TRT is especially maddening.
 
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You have to drive into the doc for this weekly?
Why can't you self inject?
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I will be self injecting at some point. Actually my wife will be taught by a nurse. But that comes about 98 weeks into the program. !

Also, it's every other week at this point, hopefully soon to be every week, but we'll see.
 
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Jeffo said:
I will be self injecting at some point. Actually my wife will be taught by a nurse. But that comes about 98 weeks into the program. !

Also, it's every other week at this point, hopefully soon to be every week, but we'll see.
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You need to take control of your treatment and demand to self-inject. Or find a new doc who allow you to do that.
 
What happens if you wanted to go away somewhere far on a holiday for a month?
You have zero T on hand?
 
I don't know why they go for a few months without letting you do it yourself, but hopefully next week my wife will be learning how to do it. (I'll be doing it myself eventually, not her. Don't tell anybody though.) Since they spread them out for three weeks in the beginning anyway, I could go on vacation between injections! It's all ridiculous, but this is how regular endocrinologists do it. I'm on Medicare and can't afford the dedicated HRT clinics. So I have to be patient and put up with the regular docs and their outdated protocols. Maybe they want to make sure you're serious and not a drug seeker before they let you do it on your own. I don't know.
 
Jeffo said:
I don't know why they go for a few months without letting you do it yourself, but hopefully next week my wife will be learning how to do it. (I'll be doing it myself eventually, not her. Don't tell anybody though.) Since they spread them out for three weeks in the beginning anyway, I could go on vacation between injections! It's all ridiculous, but this is how regular endocrinologists do it. I'm on Medicare and can't afford the dedicated HRT clinics. So I have to be patient and put up with the regular docs and their outdated protocols. Maybe they want to make sure you're serious and not a drug seeker before they let you do it on your own. I don't know.
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They want more money that's why they do that. You don't matter to them
 
Jeffo said:
I don't know why they go for a few months without letting you do it yourself, but hopefully next week my wife will be learning how to do it. (I'll be doing it myself eventually, not her. Don't tell anybody though.) Since they spread them out for three weeks in the beginning anyway, I could go on vacation between injections! It's all ridiculous, but this is how regular endocrinologists do it. I'm on Medicare and can't afford the dedicated HRT clinics. So I have to be patient and put up with the regular docs and their outdated protocols. Maybe they want to make sure you're serious and not a drug seeker before they let you do it on your own. I don't know.
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Regular doctors and endos do NOT do it this way. I have been self-injecting since day one. A nurse taught me for my first injection. And away I went.
 
A GP I know injects the Test in his patients 400 mg every three weeks.
No a.I. or Estradiol panel done ever.
 
I asked my doc about components of estrogen and he said that drugs like Arimidex (sp?) have more side effects than benefits. That scared me--meaning he won't prescribe aromatase inhibitors. But again, I don't know how to switch. If I go to another doc that accepts medicare, it might be the same thing. Plus they seem to always want a referral. I wish I had the money to go to those clinics where they take you up to 1100.

Coffee (not latte, cappuccino etc) shouldn't cost much more than a dollar. I roast my own and it's especially inexpensive. But let's not get off topic.
 
It sounds like your doctor is not up to date on everything TRT related. You could try this, find a few compounding pharmacy's in your area and ask them if they know of any good doctors in the area that deal with TRT. If they are filling prescriptions for compounds like HCG then they should be able to give you some names. Then call each of the doctors offices that you get names for and start asking questions.

I was going to one of those clinics when I first started TRT, it was great in the beginning because they accepted my insurance and it did not coast me much of anything to get treated but they would not let me self inject. I was able to convince my doctor to prescribe me HCG and when I went to get my prescription filled I just asked the compounding pharmacy if they fill a lot of prescriptions for HCG, they said they did that there were a few doctors in the area that prescribed it a lot. I asked for their names and started calling. The third office I called did everything that I was looking for, they accepted my insurance and were close to my office. I had to wait three months for an opening because he doesn't take on many new patients but I was confident he was what I was looking for because I did my research.

I saw him for the first time three months ago and I could not be happier, he has run every lab I have asked for, knows what he is doing i relation to TRT and lets me self inject. Research is the key and with the availability of the internet it should not be too hard to find what you are looking for.

There is no reason that you should be unhappy with your care, the reality is they work for you, if they will not do as you ask then walk and find someone who will.


Best of luck!
 
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