Can i add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on post cycle therapy (pct) already?

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Can i add HCG while on pct already?

If i got off a sust and tren cycle with anadrol and im on post cycle therapy (pct) right now (clomid), can i add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) now or maybe after i finish the clomid?

Will something happen if i don't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at all after a cycle like this?
 
i would run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 500iu ED for ten days-then run clomid 35 days longer

as far as will something happen? i dont know but thats a tough cycle that should almost certainly called for hcg
 
It's actually for a friend, i think the last shot was about a week ago.

He already started the clomid a few days ago.

From what i know it is recommended to finish the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and then start the pct, but he already started the pct, so what now?

Should he take it during the post cycle therapy (pct)? or maybe after? or just drop it because he missed his window?
 
he did not miss his window at all. tell him to stop clomid. run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for 10 days 500iu ED. then wait 4 days and start clomid. run clomid for 4 weeks. if he does not feel normal after 4 weeks of clomid-run it for 2 more weeks.

your not suppose to start clomid til 21 days after last sustanon injection.
 
I just remembered, i think i told him to wait 14 or 16 days after last injection...i was saying sust and thought it was prop for a moment.

I think stopping clomid now can cost him a bit of his results, he is also super concerned about it as he is preparing for a show soon and needs every gram of muscle.
 
listen dude-stopping the clomid now will not cost him anything, if he did his last shot of sust a couple days ago then he is still high as a kite.

3 weeks after a sust inject is when you should start your SERM.

it could actually take a couple weeks longer than that but im not getting into that much detail about it cause your already not listening.

my point is if he runs Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) properly his balls should be producing the same amount of test the would naturally. also running clomid with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is silly cause because Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive, so it is counter-productive.

tons of guys come on here after a deca cycle with no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and dont recover for 3 months. imagine how much hard earned muscle he will lose if that happens.

if he has a show soon, why is he dong post cycle therapy (pct)? why doesnt he run compounds up until a week or so before the show, then do a post cycle therapy (pct) after show?

anyways if he does do a post cycle therapy (pct) now, doing what i said in the previous post will give him the best chance at a speedy recovery at this point in the game.
 
he did not miss his window at all. tell him to stop clomid. run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for 10 days 500iu ED. then wait 4 days and start clomid. run clomid for 4 weeks. if he does not feel normal after 4 weeks of clomid-run it for 2 more weeks.

your not suppose to start clomid til 21 days after last sustanon injection.

Why inject Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ed as a pose to every 4th or 5th day?
Why only run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for 10 days why not 2 to 3 weeks?
Why not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and clomid together as my source states they have a synergistic effect?
Is he not also supposed to wait 21 days for androgen levels to drop after last sustanon inject prior to administration of hcg?

The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig’s cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis. Timing the initial dose is also very crucial. If your were coming off a cycle of Sustanon for example, testosterone levels in your blood will likely stay elevated for at least 3 to 4 weeks after your last injection. Taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be started around the third or fourth week. One would also want to give some thought to the level of suppression that the cycle might have brought about. After an 8 week cycle of Equipoise for example, 1500-2500 I.U. would likely be a sufficient initial dosage. The lower amount of hormonal suppression one associates with this drug would probably not require much more. On the other hand, 750-1000mg of Sustanon per week might incline the user to inject a much larger Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dose, perhaps as much as 5000 I.U. for the opening application. It may thereafter also be a good idea to reduce the dosage on subsequent shots, so as to step down the intake of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the two or three weeks of intake.

As discussed above, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) acts only to mimic the action of LH. It is likewise not the perfect hormone to combat testosterone suppression, and for this reason it is used most often in conjunction with estrogen antagonists such as Clomid, Nolvadex or cyclofenil. These drugs have a different effect on the regulating system, namely inhibiting estrogen-induced suppression at the hypothalamus. This of course also helps to restore the release of testosterone, although through a much different mechanism than HCG. A combination of both drugs appears to be very synergistic, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) providing an immediate effect on the testes (shocking them out of inactivity) while the anti-estrogen helps later to block inhibition on the hypothalamus and resume the normal release of gonadotropins from the pituitary. The typical procedure involves giving the Clomid/Nolvadex dose from the start with HCG, but continuing it alone for a few weeks once Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has been discontinued. This practice should effectively raise testosterone levels, which will hopefully remain stable once Clomid/Nolvadex have been discontinued. While unfortunately there is no way to retain all of the muscle gains produced by anabolic steroids, using ancillaries to restore a balanced hormonal state is the best way to minimize the loss felt with ending a cycle.

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their is a million reasons thai

first and foremost he is at the end of of his cycle-so running it E5d is not optimal.

the more Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you shoot at once the higher the chances of getting gyno.
 
and why not run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and clomid together-cause as i said before Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is suppressive to your natural LH and FSH. so running something to boost LH and FSH during that time is useless
 
I am asking because I want to understand Det Oak but I am not contradicting you just asking questions.
When I read a profile that says one thing and an experienced cycler says something different I want to know why so I can learn more.
I may use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at the end of this cycle but have no experience with it so I want to learn.
 
its ok bro-i know you were just asking-keep in mind nothing is written in stone. these are all just opinions.

the profile info looks kinda outdated. the best info on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) i can find is from DR. Scally. everything he writes is current.

search the forum for " Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) desensitisation-does it exist?" that should keep you busy for some time.

BTW running a SERM with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not do harm, the SERM will just not have any effect at that time.

there should be 2 parts to every PCT

1st-get the balls up and running to see if they will return to function.

2nd administer SERM/ if you cant get the 1st one done then the 2nd protocol will be useless

how you do the first one is irrelevant as long as you get it done.

the obvious optimal way to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is throughout the cycle to keep the boys full and then blast during the T decline in order to get them running @ %100
 
I said that i got confused, he started the post cycle therapy (pct) two weeks after last shot.

Now, if he stops the post cycle therapy (pct) he will be shut down without clomid and that wouldn't be a good idea.

When you said that before post cycle therapy (pct) you have to get your balls running first, how do you do that if not with hcg?
What exactly did you mean? also, not in every cycle a person uses HCG, let's say a test only cycle for example.
 
its ok bro-i know you were just asking-keep in mind nothing is written in stone. these are all just opinions.

the profile info looks kinda outdated. the best info on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) i can find is from DR. Scally. everything he writes is current.

search the forum for " Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) desensitisation-does it exist?" that should keep you busy for some time.

BTW running a SERM with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not do harm, the SERM will just not have any effect at that time.

there should be 2 parts to every PCT

1st-get the balls up and running to see if they will return to function.

2nd administer SERM/ if you cant get the 1st one done then the 2nd protocol will be useless

how you do the first one is irrelevant as long as you get it done.

the obvious optimal way to run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is throughout the cycle to keep the boys full and then blast during the T decline in order to get them running @ %100

^agree

I like to run 150iu's of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ed, it keeps the boys full and happy, plus I get a feeling of well being from it.
 
I said that i got confused, he started the pct two weeks after last shot.

Now, if he stops the pct he will be shut down without clomid and that wouldn't be a good idea.

When you said that before pct you have to get your balls running first, how do you do that if not with hcg?
What exactly did you mean? also, not in every cycle a person uses HCG, let's say a test only cycle for example.

wether he stops PCT at this time or not doesnt mean anything. if he only waited 2 weeks to start clomid he has another week before he should have started it anyway. with a cycle that heavy it will be very tough to only use clomid. trust me. tell your friend what i said about running it.

as far as a test only thats completely different. clomid only would prolly do the trick. deca and anadrol shut you down really hard.
 
He didn't start the pct today, he is in for a number of days, i can't understand how it is a good idea to pause the clomid at this stage.

What else can he add to the clomid pct to recover better?
 
just forget it-i give up

I didn't mean what else to take instead of the HCG, i asked what else can be added to make the pct stronger because you said it's a heavy cycle to do a pct with clomid alone.

I don't know whats wrong with asking why do a certain thing i am told to do, i for myself don't like doing things that doesn't feel right unless i get an explanation for the thing im about to do.
 
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