Can I drop from 400mg test C to Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) levels plus Nolva for an easy PCT?

[bmartini]

Can I drop from 400mg test C to HRT levels plus Nolva for an easy PCT?

I'm 31, started on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at 200mg a week in August. Two months ago I upped dosage to 400mg Test C in two 200mg inj per week and last month I started 0.5mg arimidex with each inj. I am in the sweet spot where my acne is minimal, my workouts are good, i'm getting steady results, good libido, good rest, no mood swings, no bloat, no nipple soreness, and only minor shrinkage to the testicles.

I am getting two sets of information from very experienced sources that tell me I can stay on this routine indefinitely until I see more sides. And I am also getting info telling me the exact opposite, that I need to jump off immediately and run a proper pct.

My question is first, at age 31, with baseline test levels at 231, who is right? And my second questions is if it's possible to drop my dosage down to say 200mg once a week while running 20mg of nolva ED for say 6 weeks. I am basing my second question in the concept that I can bring my artificial test levels down to prob 1200 or so and still stimulate the testicles to avoid any shutdown issues down the road.

 

[2rude4u]

I'm 31, started on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at 200mg a week in August. Two months ago I upped dosage to 400mg Test C in two 200mg inj per week and last month I started 0.5mg arimidex with each inj. I am in the sweet spot where my acne is minimal, my workouts are good, i'm getting steady results, good libido, good rest, no mood swings, no bloat, no nipple soreness, and only minor shrinkage to the testicles.

I am getting two sets of information from very experienced sources that tell me I can stay on this routine indefinitely until I see more sides. And I am also getting info telling me the exact opposite, that I need to jump off immediately and run a proper pct.

My question is first, at age 31, with baseline test levels at 231, who is right? And my second questions is if it's possible to drop my dosage down to say 200mg once a week while running 20mg of nolva ED for say 6 weeks. I am basing my second question in the concept that I can bring my artificial test levels down to prob 1200 or so and still stimulate the testicles to avoid any shutdown issues down the road.

If you're staying on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), just at a lower dose, you wouldn't need post cycle therapy (pct). If you do not intend to stay on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) you will need pct.

 

[halfwit]

I'm 31, started on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at 200mg a week in August. Two months ago I upped dosage to 400mg Test C in two 200mg inj per week and last month I started 0.5mg arimidex with each inj. I am in the sweet spot where my acne is minimal, my workouts are good, i'm getting steady results, good libido, good rest, no mood swings, no bloat, no nipple soreness, and only minor shrinkage to the testicles.

I am getting two sets of information from very experienced sources that tell me I can stay on this routine indefinitely until I see more sides. And I am also getting info telling me the exact opposite, that I need to jump off immediately and run a proper post cycle therapy (pct).

My question is first, at age 31, with baseline test levels at 231, who is right? And my second questions is if it's possible to drop my dosage down to say 200mg once a week while running 20mg of nolva ED for say 6 weeks. I am basing my second question in the concept that I can bring my artificial test levels down to prob 1200 or so and still stimulate the testicles to avoid any shutdown issues down the road.

If you're on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) you're already shut down. post cycle therapy (pct) is for guys that have an endocrine system that works, not folks like you and me. Just drop back down to your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose when done blasting. Enjoy the perks of TRT!

 

[bigpapabuff]

If you're on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) you're already shut down. post cycle therapy (pct) is for guys that have an endocrine system that works, not folks like you and me. Just drop back down to your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose when done blasting. Enjoy the perks of TRT!

This!!

 

[bmartini]

Shutdown is a big statement, at 31 years old and only a few months of 200-400mg test injections I don't think I'm quite there yet...

Would dropping down to 200mg/week and adding 20mg of nolva daily for a month stimulate testicular function? Or do I have to run the standard clomid/nolva post cycle therapy (pct) cycle and lay off the test completely? My long term health is my concern, I don't want to be on synthetic hormone cocktails when I'm 40.

 

[bigpapabuff]

Shutdown is a big statement, at 31 years old and only a few months of 200-400mg test injections I don't think I'm quite there yet...

Would dropping down to 200mg/week and adding 20mg of nolva daily for a month stimulate testicular function? Or do I have to run the standard clomid/nolva post cycle therapy (pct) cycle and lay off the test completely? My long term health is my concern, I don't want to be on synthetic hormone cocktails when I'm 40.

Your wrong. You are shut down ..as you would be at 200mg/week. This means serm therapy - the nolva, is useless (because of exogenous test present) and will do nothing. SO thats where that end up ...

 

[2rude4u]

Shutdown is a big statement, at 31 years old and only a few months of 200-400mg test injections I don't think I'm quite there yet...

Would dropping down to 200mg/week and adding 20mg of nolva daily for a month stimulate testicular function? Or do I have to run the standard clomid/nolva post cycle therapy (pct) cycle and lay off the test completely? My long term health is my concern, I don't want to be on synthetic hormone cocktails when I'm 40.

If you are remaining on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and your goal is to stimulate testicular function only, you do not need, nor will you benefit from post cycle therapy (pct). Drop your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose to 200 and add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while continuing your Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Your boys will swell with pride!

Now if you're trying to ween yourself off of the test it's a different story. You will want to drop the test, but run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) along with your post cycle therapy (pct).

And what bigpapa said is correct, you are already shutdown.

 

[bmartini]

If you are remaining on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and your goal is to stimulate testicular function only, you do not need, nor will you benefit from post cycle therapy (pct). Drop your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose to 200 and add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while continuing your Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Your boys will swell with pride!

Now if you're trying to ween yourself off of the test it's a different story. You will want to drop the test, but run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) along with your pct.

And what bigpapa said is correct, you are already shutdown.

I would love to continuously stay on the test forever.... It just seems too good to be true...

By dropping to 200mg a week and adding Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to stimulate the testicles, am I essentially providing an insurance policy against a total endocrine crash down the road? How long would I stay on this reduced cycle before ramping back up to 400mg?

 

[3ct]

I would love to continuously stay on the test forever.... It just seems too good to be true...

By dropping to 200mg a week and adding Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to stimulate the testicles, am I essentially providing an insurance policy against a total endocrine crash down the road?

No you are still shut down even with HCG, it just mimics LH production, keyword is MIMICS it will just make your sack full that's all, nothing else. It does help people to recover from post cycle therapy (pct) if they use it throughout cycle but, if you stay on indefinitely or a long period of time you do have the chance of permanently shutting yourself down, there's nothing you can do about that. Why else do you think so many people that juice end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) later on in life? Your age has nothing to do with it.

 

[bmartini]

No you are still shut down even with HCG, it just mimics LH production, keyword is MIMICS it will just make your sack full that's all, nothing else. It does help people to recover from post cycle therapy (pct) if they use it throughout cycle but, if you stay on indefinitely or a long period of time you do have the chance of permanently shutting yourself down, there's nothing you can do about that. Why else do you think so many people that juice end up on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) later on in life? Your age has nothing to do with it.

Is there any benefit to my endocrine system if, say, I wait 10 days or so from my last injection to flush out all the test, while still taking 0.5mg Arimidex E3D, and then, run a heavy Nolva cycle for 7 days (say 80/60/60/60/40/40/20), before jumping back on the test? I'm not trying to achieve total balance and harmony, I am looking to give my endocrine system a "reminder" to stay in the game to prevent serious issues later on...

 

[zephyr_987]

Is there any benefit to my endocrine system if, say, I wait 10 days or so from my last injection to flush out all the test, while still taking 0.5mg Arimidex E3D, and then, run a heavy Nolva cycle for 7 days (say 80/60/60/60/40/40/20), before jumping back on the test? I'm not trying to achieve total balance and harmony, I am looking to give my endocrine system a "reminder" to stay in the game to prevent serious issues later on...

no need to take all that medication if your intention is to jump back on test in only 10 days.... you are simply completely shut down.. when you want to get off for a few months to see if your endocrine system still works then do a complete, thorough PCT with clomid being then drug of choice.

 

[Trevdog]

I agree with the posts above. In my experience of being "on" an average of maybe 500 mgs. per week of test + 200 mgs. per week of deca nearly continuously for seven years before deciding to take a break, my HPTA function did recover when I finally came off. I haven't been convinced that the biggest concern of long term continuous use is being forced to stay on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) forever. I think I will decide to do that without being forced to.

Having said that, I do believe that my use has weakened my connective tissues. I think that if I had cycled on and off during the last 9 years - maybe using the old time on = time off rule of thumb (which is admittedly a fairly arbitrary rule), my tendons and ligaments would be stronger today. I'm looking into HGH therapy to shore up my connective tissues now.

 

[bmartini]

I agree with the posts above. In my experience of being "on" an average of maybe 500 mgs. per week of test + 200 mgs. per week of deca nearly continuously for seven years before deciding to take a break, my HPTA function did recover when I finally came off. I haven't been convinced that the biggest concern of long term continuous use is being forced to stay on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) forever. I think I will decide to do that without being forced to.

Having said that, I do believe that my use has weakened my connective tissues. I think that if I had cycled on and off during the last 9 years - maybe using the old time on = time off rule of thumb (which is admittedly a fairly arbitrary rule), my tendons and ligaments would be stronger today. I'm looking into HGH therapy to shore up my connective tissues now.

wow 7 years.... so in addition to test, what, if any, other hormones or synthetic substances are you required to take to maintain homeostasis? doesn't your thyroid, adrenal glands, cholesterol, progesterone and a bunch of other stuff get affected when you're shutdown long term?

 

[bmartini]

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