Carbohydrates are the DEVIL

Megatron28 said:
Having a healthy discussion is one thing, but be careful with what you say. You never know who is going to come here and read it and possibly walk away with the wrong idea. Put up disclaimers or flags if necessary. At least say you are playing devil's advocate for discussion purposes.
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Your right.. I'm selfish. I'll post things to see what the response is for my OWN learning experience sometimes..

I did put up a disclaimer in the first post -- I called carbs the devil,, then went on to note that I was not purposely trying to demonize carbs,, Essentially just doing it for conversation purposes and a heathy discussion of the good and bad of carb consumption ..
 
Roush said:
Your right.. I'm selfish. I'll post things to see what the response is for my OWN learning experience sometimes..

I did put up a disclaimer in the first post -- I called carbs the devil,, then went on to note that I was not purposely trying to demonize carbs,, Essentially just doing it for conversation purposes and a heathy discussion of the good and bad of carb consumption ..
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Discussion is great. That's why we are all here. It is the hyperbole that can cause problems -- especially with the young noobs.
 
Roush said:
So I'm guessing if you went on a high fat ketogenic diet, that pork would be out as one of your fat and protein sources :)
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Nah, I love a good side of bacon and sausage (provided the bacon is not too crisp and the sausage is not too greasy - I hate when they explode as you stab them!). :)

I did flirt with Judaism for quite a while (by flirt, I mean I was actively thinking of conversion - studied the Mishnah Torah as written by the RAMBAM, attended classes, etc. Never went through with it. Currently, I am studying Vedanta and am reading the commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita by Swami Dayananda (a scant 2100 pages worth). I am not too far (about 250 pages in), Ajuna just explained to Krishna why it is wrong for him to fight in the upcoming battle. I like the philosophy of Vedanta - the belief there is nothing but Brahman (the one God) - that everything in existence is actually just part of Brahman and our goal is to come to fully and completely realize this. It is fascinating.

Without going into too much detail, I lost my faith in the religion of my upbringing and am now casting a wide net to find a new philosophy for life. Having a solid spiritual foundation is vital for proper mental and physical health. Whatever one chooses to believe as their life philosophy, it is far better to have a life philosophy than to be adrift, seeking one.

Anyway, back to you vilifying the Peanut Butter Cup...heathen...
 
Roush said:
the average american lives to 78,, the average asian (thats a broad number of countries) lives to 76.. its kinda a myth the asians are healthier then other parts of the world..

BUT Japan may be what you are thinking about,, they live and average to 84,, they eat plenty of fish (fats), raw fish, sushi wraps, and vegetables.. quite a bit different then the chinese pork and rice. or the phillipines chicken and rice.
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The Japanese diet isn't all fish and veggies. Everything is served with white rice. The rice served with sushi has added sugar, more carbs. Then there's tempura, tonkatsu and all sorts of breaded deep-fried food, all served with rice. They eat their fatty Kobe beef or the cheaper versions of it. After a night of drinking, they like to eat Ramen before going home. Carbs make up a big part of the diet. At the end of the day, you've got your beer and rice wine to boot.

I think one reason the Japanese manage to live longer lives is portion control and almost no junk food in their day to day lives. Just because something is on the dinner table, doesn't mean they are going to finish it. They eat until they are comfortable. Still, I've sat down in a cafeteria where the rice is all-you-can-eat and the guys, mostly, just stack the rice up as high as it can go, then go for seconds halfway through their meal. And they are thin dudes. I wish I had that kind of metabolism.

Next time I'll try and snap some photos of what they eat, and how much.
 
synonymous said:
The Japanese diet isn't all fish and veggies. Everything is served with white rice. The rice served with sushi has added sugar, more carbs. Then there's tempura, tonkatsu and all sorts of breaded deep-fried food, all served with rice.They eat their fatty Kobe beef or the cheaper versions of it. After a night of drinking, they like to eat Ramen before going home. Carbs make up a big part of the diet. At the end of the day, you've got your beer and rice wine to boot.

I think one reason the Japanese manage to live longer lives is portion control and almost no junk food in their day to day lives. Just because something is on the dinner table, doesn't mean they are going to finish it. They eat until they are comfortable. Still, I've sat down in a cafeteria where the rice is all-you-can-eat and the guys, mostly, just stack the rice up as high as it can go, then go for seconds halfway through their meal. And they are thin dudes. I wish I had that kind of metabolism.

Next time I'll try and snap some photos of what they eat, and how much.
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So how long have they had deep,fryers and frying rice ? You know a big trans fat frying machine ,,

I'm talking the 1000s of years of non frying practices and little carb consumption ..

On a side note,, it's built into Japanese culture and society that eating to fullness is a bad thing,, eating and quitting before being full is noble ,, and has been regularly practiced there.. Stopping eating while still hungry is a regular cultural practice .. Thus minimal carb consumption for such a disciplined dietary society is not really relevant in this topic
 
cybrsage said:
Nah, I love a good side of bacon and sausage (provided the bacon is not too crisp and the sausage is not too greasy - I hate when they explode as you stab them!). :)

I did flirt with Judaism for quite a while (by flirt, I mean I was actively thinking of conversion - studied the Mishnah Torah as written by the RAMBAM, attended classes, etc. Never went through with it. Currently, I am studying Vedanta and am reading the commentaries on the Bhagavad Gita by Swami Dayananda (a scant 2100 pages worth). I am not too far (about 250 pages in), Ajuna just explained to Krishna why it is wrong for him to fight in the upcoming battle. I like the philosophy of Vedanta - the belief there is nothing but Brahman (the one God) - that everything in existence is actually just part of Brahman and our goal is to come to fully and completely realize this. It is fascinating.

Without going into too much detail, I lost my faith in the religion of my upbringing and am now casting a wide net to find a new philosophy for life. Having a solid spiritual foundation is vital for proper mental and physical health. Whatever one chooses to believe as their life philosophy, it is far better to have a life philosophy than to be adrift, seeking one.

Anyway, back to you vilifying the Peanut Butter Cup...heathen...
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Studying and rethinking Romans chapter 8 -- from all you've learned with open eyes is all you made need
 
Roush said:
On a side note,, it's built into Japanese culture and society that eating to fullness is a bad thing,, eating and quitting before being full is noble
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Remind me not to go to Japan then... satiation takes about 20 mins to accomplish due to digestion... my meals are usually wolfed down in 2 mins if you're lucky!
 
Roush said:
So how long have they had deep,fryers and frying rice ? You know a big trans fat frying machine ,,

I'm talking the 1000s of years of non frying practices and little carb consumption ..

On a side note,, it's built into Japanese culture and society that eating to fullness is a bad thing,, eating and quitting before being full is noble ,, and has been regularly practiced there.. Stopping eating while still hungry is a regular cultural practice .. Thus minimal carb consumption for such a disciplined dietary society is not really relevant in this topic
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They've been eating rice, rice cakes, sweets made of rice etc for as long as they've had rice. It's a high carb diet. Going back 1000s of years.

The eat to 80 percent fullness is more a southern Japanese way of eating, in Okinawa. However, the food in Okinawa is more closely related to Chinese food than traditional Japanese food. Kakuni, which is fatty pork meat, is one of their more popular foods.

And still, with more carbs being introduced into the diet over the last 100 or so years, in the forms mentioned, they still have a low obesity rate and live for a long time.
 
synonymous said:
They've been eating rice, rice cakes, sweets made of rice etc for as long as they've had rice. It's a high carb diet. Going back 1000s of years.

The eat to 80 percent fullness is more a southern Japanese way of eating, in Okinawa. However, the food in Okinawa is more closely related to Chinese food than traditional Japanese food. Kakuni, which is fatty pork meat, is one of their more popular foods.

And still, with more carbs being introduced into the diet over the last 100 or so years, in the forms mentioned, they still have a low obesity rate and live for a long time.
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ok,,, so they do eat a somewhat high carb diet, that would explain then why the number one cause of death in Japan is stroke and the third leading cause of death is coronary heart disease.

both diseases can be linked to metabollic syndrome caused by the consumption of carbohydrates.
 
quote taken out of live science magazine

Is the pendulum swinging back? In what seems contrary to mainstream dietary advice, a small new study shows that doubling the saturated fat in a person's diet does not drive up the levels of saturated fat in the blood.

Rather, the study found that it was the carbohydrates in people's diets that were linked with increased levels of a type of fatty acid linked to heart disease and type-2 diabetes. The results of the study, which followed 16 middle-aged, obese adults for 21 weeks, were published Nov. 21 in the journal PLOS ONE.

Saturated fats, largely from meat and dairy products, have been vilified for decades as a primary culprit in promoting heart disease. And most health authorities maintain this stance.
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There is zero scientific evidence showing that carbs cause any health problems whatsoever - youtube videos and magazine quotes don't compare to actual research.

Note that I said CAUSE - not "linked" or "associated" or "correlated" because none of this equals causation.

Dude when did you decide to make this switch to becoming a low carb zealot? Its literally a cult with you guys - the need to constantly spread your beliefs on others, preaching about how dangerous carbs are in several threads, etc - its literally the same stuff all over the internet.
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
There is zero scientific evidence showing that carbs cause any health problems whatsoever - youtube videos and magazine quotes don't compare to actual research.

Note that I said CAUSE - not "linked" or "associated" or "correlated" because none of this equals causation.

Dude when did you decide to make this switch to becoming a low carb zealot? Its literally a cult with you guys - the need to constantly spread your beliefs on others, preaching about how dangerous carbs are in several threads, etc - its literally the same stuff all over the internet.
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when? when I stopped consuming carbs and it helped me with

- my sleep apnea,, its gone, have not had issues sense
- blood pressure lowered 20 points
- no longer have to take medicine for my acid reflux,, acid reflux is gone
- don't have tension headaches every day
- no longer have gastrointestinal issues
- body aches and inflammation are way down
- concentration and focus is better
- I can now sleep through the night


didn't take much to convince me when there was a dramatic change in health cutting out the carbs completely.. and who should I believe,, doctors and scientist's who are invited to speak in places all over the world, invited on to tv shows, have books, have published medical studies.. or an internet forum guru ?

all I can do is look into things myself and make an educated decision,, I'm not a scientist, doctor, or researcher
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
There is zero scientific evidence showing that carbs cause any health problems whatsoever - youtube videos and magazine quotes don't compare to actual research.
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youtube videos of lectures where the lecturer actually goes over the studies and research,, is much more convenient for the average guy to take in then it is to go and read all the scientific studies themselves
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
There is zero scientific evidence showing that carbs cause any health problems whatsoever .
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go ahead.. post up a study. prove that gluten (a carbohydrate) does not cause health issues in quite a few people. gluten intolerance is a medical condition DIRECTLY related to the consumption of carbohydrates.
 
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