Carbohydrates are the DEVIL

[Mrrippedzilla]

doctors and scientist's who are invited to speak in places all over the world, invited on to tv shows, have books, have published medical studies.. or an internet forum guru ?

How fucking difficult is it to hop on to pubmed and read the research?
Because I know for a FACT that if you did that, you would find that the majority of the evidence is against you - again, fact.

But whatever, keep cherry-picking and believe what you want.
All I ask is that you stop spreading your false belief like its fact - such as this 3 page thread dedicated to bashing carbs using tv channels, magazines and youtube videos.

 

[49ER]

that's it I'm not following roush anymore

 

[Roush]

All I ask is that you stop spreading your false belief .

I'm a red blooded American.. I own over 35 guns, AR-10s Ar-15s, etc. and I have 10,000 rounds of ammo,, AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH !! and freedom to spread anything i believe to anybody I damn well choose

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

go ahead.. post up a study. prove that gluten (a carbohydrate) does not cause health issues in quite a few people. gluten intolerance is a medical condition DIRECTLY related to the consumption of carbohydrates.

LOOOOOOOOOL - you are completely clueless on how research works aren't you?

I don't have to PROVE that carbs don't cause health issues - you have to PROVE that they do because your the one who made the statement.

Also - gluten intolerance is actually a GENETIC disorder that simply shows symptoms when carbs are consumed. It is not CAUSED by carbs.

 

[Roush]

There is zero scientific evidence showing that carbs cause any health problems whatsoever.

Your the one that posted this statement and can't back it up.. If a diabetic goes to town on carbs and spikes his blood sugar and dies,,, why,, the CARB.. your statement is utter bull crap..

If someone eats whole wheat bread and ends up with gastrointestinal issues,, why,, the bread (the Carb)..

common F'ing sense dude

 

[Roush]

Also - gluten intolerance is actually a GENETIC disorder that simply shows symptoms when carbs are consumed. It is not CAUSED by carbs.

So what do the CARBS Cause here in your statement -- hmmmm,, i wonder,, SYMPTOMS,, what are symptoms,, um yeah, all that bad negative stuff like gastro intestinal distress, leaky gut, immune system compromised..

so there,, you just said carbs CAUSE all those negative health things cause all those things are symptoms

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Your the one that posted this statement and can't back it up.. If a diabetic goes to town on carbs and spikes his blood sugar and dies,,, why,, the CARB.. your statement is utter bull crap..

If someone eats whole wheat bread and ends up with gastrointestinal issues,, why,, the bread (the Carb)..

common F'ing sense dude

So your going to ignore the fact that the whole point of this entire thread that YOU started was to illustrate that carbs cause all these problems? Seriously? Are you THAT retarded at this point?

And look at the EXTREME examples you are using to illustrate your point:
Diabetics, meta-bolic syndrome - people with PRE-EXISTING conditions that are having problems with carbs. SHOCKING.
Now look at the majority of normal, healthy people - COMPLETELY different story.

Whatever, believe what you want and spread your crap as much as you wish.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

So what do the CARBS Cause here in your statement -- hmmmm,, i wonder,, SYMPTOMS,, what are symptoms,, um yeah, all that bad negative stuff like gastro intestinal distress, leaky gut, immune system compromised..

so there,, you just said carbs CAUSE all those negative health things cause all those things are symptoms

Does that mean that if I have the influenza virus and go outside and start coughing that the cold weather CAUSED influenza? Amazing how all you low-carb zealots are full of the same load of bullshit.

Those symptoms are CAUSED by glucose intolerance, which is a genetic disorder.
If you didn't have glucose intolerance, would those symptoms show themselves with carb consumption? NO - therefore it doesn't CAUSE anything.

 

[3J]

so you two need to calm down... debate.. dont argue..

here is how i see it..

1. the low fat, high sugar epidemic in america has raised so many health concerns that its given carbohydrates a bad name.. yes, sugar is bad for you when it isn't taken in moderation... take too much and you'll get fat, you'll get diabeties.. youll get m-syndrome... all those statements are true

2. carbohydrates.. WHEN CORRECTLY EXECUTED IN A DIET are nothing but beneficial for you... not all carbs are the same (rip dont even start).. we know digestive time and insulin response are important.. and carbs from your candy bar will hit you much differently than carbs from a sweet potato..

i never recommend someone going under 150g carbs a day unless they are ready to commit to full keto

and i hate keto.. even though it is effecitve

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I think its easier for me to simply put the people I consider to be idiots & their followers on ignore - eliminates the urge I get to call them out on bullshit, especially when I know it will achieve nothing lol.

I apologise for interrupting your thread Roush - feel free to continue posting whatever you wish

 

[3J]

I think its easier for me to simply put the people I consider to be idiots & their followers on ignore - eliminates the urge I get to call them out on bullshit, especially when I know it will achieve nothing lol.

I apologise for interrupting your thread Roush - feel free to continue posting whatever you wish

we cannot deny that roush, after cutting carbs, has seen benefits as he has listed... alot of people do


but we also cannot deny that healthy eating with carbs are possible.. and should be utilized

 

[Roush]

note: I'm not trying to demonize carbs,, carbs are not inherently evil,, neither are guns,, its a personal choice what you eat and put into your body,, carbs are cool if thats your thing,,

Essentially just doing it for conversation purposes and a heathy discussion of the good and bad of carb consumption

quoting myself, I'm not an advocate for anything,, I posted this thread to bring out conversation about carbs, good and bad,, I happen to be the one pointing out 'the bad'..

but of course Zilla's only purpose in life and this forum is to go look for something he thinks is wrong and call it out, with his 'here is a study I read it and you didn't therefore I'm right', he never discusses anything, not once have I seen him have an actual discussion with anyone,, everything is a argumentative debate with him, never a discussion. living life always trying to prove someone else is wrong must make him feel bigger or taller somehow..
see,, he has the self admitted urge to do this,, makes him feel like a big man

I think its easier for me to simply put the people I consider to be idiots & their followers on ignore - eliminates the URGE I get to call them out )

I'm not saying I'm wrong or right,, just a thread to discuss carbs and I'm pointing out some of the articles and things where people are linking carb consumption to health problems,, something that if people did not know this before, should at least look into it for themselves

but when I guy comes in here and says

There is zero scientific evidence showing that carbs cause any health problems whatsoever

when in the face of tons of information, medical conferences, tv shows, books, etc.. that are talking about health risks of carbs.. he is just trying to shut people up and make everyone agree with him..

let the people look into it and decide for themselves.

 

[49ER]

quoting myself, I'm not an advocate for anything,, I posted this thread to bring out conversation about carbs, good and bad,, I happen to be the one pointing out 'the bad'..

but of course Zilla's only purpose in life and this forum is to go look for something he thinks is wrong and call it out, with his 'here is a study I read it and you didn't therefore I'm right', he never discusses anything, not once have I seen him have an actual discussion with anyone,, everything is a argumentative debate with him, never a discussion. living life always trying to prove someone else is wrong must make him feel bigger or taller somehow..
see,, he has the self admitted urge to do this,, makes him feel like a big man




I'm not saying I'm wrong or right,, just a thread to discuss carbs and I'm pointing out some of the articles and things where people are linking carb consumption to health problems,, something that if people did not know this before, should at least look into it for themselves

but when I guy comes in here and says



when in the face of tons of information, medical conferences, tv shows, books, etc.. that are talking about health risks of carbs.. he is just trying to shut people up and make everyone agree with him.. let the people look into and decide for themselves......P.S 49ER HAS A BIG JUICY COCK

I agree with the last statement

 

[synonymous]

I was keto (30 grams carbs a day) before getting with 3J. I was going at it for 3 months.

Benefits were:

- I needed less sleep.
- I didn't feel hungry a lot of the time.
- I got creative with foods so I could eat low/no carb variates of foods I like.

However, my blood sugar levels weren't that great, my wallet took a hit because of all the oils and carb free ingredients I was buying. Intensity in the gym dropped.

3J added carbs back in, I saw my weight drop (More factors than carbs come into play here). My fasting blood sugar and H1ac dropped. Intensity in the gym increased. AND while in a caloric deficit I haven't seen a drop in my lifts, yet. I've stalled, but I think that was to be expected.

At my physical the doctor asked me about my diet and training. Doctor was surprised that I could take in 300 carbs a day (On certain days) and still be OK as far as blood sugars. A testament to proper carb timing IMO.

I've been watching, painfully, some vegan youtube videos. They are pro-carb to a point I think most would go diabetic. It's fun to watch. It's like a religion. You can go to both extremes and just sit back and watch people comment.

 

[49ER]

Lets say i wanna carb cycle or just eat less carbs does that eliminate the need for high fats? Hello anyone?

 

[3J]

I was keto (30 grams carbs a day) before getting with 3J. I was going at it for 3 months.

Benefits were:

- I needed less sleep.
- I didn't feel hungry a lot of the time.
- I got creative with foods so I could eat low/no carb variates of foods I like.

However, my blood sugar levels weren't that great, my wallet took a hit because of all the oils and carb free ingredients I was buying. Intensity in the gym dropped.

3J added carbs back in, I saw my weight drop (More factors than carbs come into play here). My fasting blood sugar and H1ac dropped. Intensity in the gym increased. AND while in a caloric deficit I haven't seen a drop in my lifts, yet. I've stalled, but I think that was to be expected.

At my physical the doctor asked me about my diet and training. Doctor was surprised that I could take in 300 carbs a day (On certain days) and still be OK as far as blood sugars. A testament to proper carb timing IMO.

I've been watching, painfully, some vegan youtube videos. They are pro-carb to a point I think most would go diabetic. It's fun to watch. It's like a religion. You can go to both extremes and just sit back and watch people comment.

except you havn't stalled.. your weight loss has slowed down is all.. 3/4 of a kg weight loss in 7 days is good weight loss syn.. dont be hard on yourself

 

[3J]

but he does make a great point.. i cant think of a diabetic that has come to me and not seen similar results.. all of them had both their fasting blood glucose and their a1c drop...

its a testament to what a balanced and proper diet, with carbs, can do

 

[Roush]

Lets say i wanna carb cycle or just eat less carbs does that eliminate the need for high fats? Hello anyone?

just count your macros/calories.. on the days you eat more carbs, lower your fat intake,, on the days you eat less carbs, increase your fat.

carb timing is important as well.. you may want to look into Kiefer, or Ben Pakulski's,, 'Carb Backloading'-- where your carb intake only comes in the evening post work out (it has to to with the bodies metabolism throughout the day)


note:
1- gram of protein is about 4 calories
1- gram of carbs is about 4 calories
1- gram of fat is about 9 calories

so keep that in mind when counting

 

[49ER]

just count your macros.. on the days you eat more carbs, lower your fat intake,, on the days you eat less carbs, increase your fat.

carb timing is important as well.. you may want to look into Kiefer, or Ben Pakulski's,, 'Carb Backloading'-- where your carb intake only comes in the evening post work out (it has to to with the bodies metabolism throughout the day)

Thanks

 

[Roush]

and if your goal is to be in ketosis,, but yet you do want to load up on some carbs on occasion,, timing of the carb intake is essential..,, that is if you wan't to restore glycogen, then get back into ketosis fairly quickly..

example- you've been in ketosis for a couple weeks,, your going to carb up on saturday,, I would advise that you do NOT consume carbs in the morning or for lunch (your just going to stop your fat burning),, I would plan out a big day of calorie expenditure,, a day where you do an hour of cardio mid day then are planning a big 1.5 hour weight training work out in the gym,, after that, then consume your carbs,, your body will be primed to take the glucose and drive it into muscles as glycogen stores (rather then fat stores).. but do NOT consume dietary fat the time of the carb re-feed..

by doing this, you won't have a ton of glucose flowing through your blood for your brain and fat cells to use (and totally throw you out of ketosis),, the glucose will be stored as Glycogen in the muscle cells,, and once glucose is stored in muscle cells it CAN NOT be used for energy by any other system of the body,, it can only be used by the muscle.

so essentially, by timing things right, your locking up the glucose in your muscle cells as glycogen,, with that then you will not have it in the blood stream,, and this will allow you to get back into Ketosis much quicker and get back to using fat for energy.