Its impossible really to say what's best but you can certainly make some comparisons as to what's better. Why would you say that BCCAs are better than whey or casein protein, both of which are complete sources?
Chocolate milk after workout
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Its impossible really to say what's best but you can certainly make some comparisons as to what's better. Why would you say that BCCAs are better than whey or casein protein, both of which are complete sources?
Mad- scientist
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100% whey protein from gold standard is a ok protein to start out with also. I still make very good gains with it and its cheap. I just hear things about hydrolyzed protein causing a greater insulin response and all this other interesting stuff so now I am hooked on it mentally and feel if I go to a different form I am missing out on my benefits I was getting from hydro whey. I did notice a big drop in post work out muscle soreness when I switched to hydrolyzed whey protein though.
Mad- scientist
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You have a point... I was talking in absolutes and didn't realize I really was. For me personally my best work outs and recovery have come from either drinking hydrolyzed whey protein while working out or BCAA's while working out. I notice a big difference when ever I use the BCAA's though I think it has to do with the Citrulline in it also.
Mad- scientist
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I think hydrolyzed Bcaa's are better than casein protein or whey protein because you don't get stomach discomfort or feel as full while drinking it during a work out. I think that Hydrolyzed whey protein during a work out is good but I feel like some how the Bcaa's give me more endurance. Maybe its because my body has to do less work to absorb it because it is a lighter substance and has only the exact stuff I need at the moment.
halfwit
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Woot, another almond milk drinker.
Chocolate milk after a workout? Sounds like HEARTBURN. 
DexterMorgan
No longer Cycles
Milk was a big part of my diet. I was killing 1/2 gallon a day when I 1st started. Always use it for my shakes and cereal.
You've been sold on the "hydrolyzed" speech of the supplement companies I'm afraid. Chocolate is superior to BCCA as a PWO meal in every aspect besides convenience. All hydrolyzed means is its already broken down into aminos and smaller proteins but Contrary to popular belief protein response is not due to bioavailability alone. Koopman and colleagues showed that simply being a faster absorbing protein, hydrolyzed protein was not better at spiking muscle protein synthesis (MPS). In fact, whey was superior than hydrolyzed protein.
Ingestion of a protein hydrolysate is accompanied by an accelerated in vivo digestion and absorption rate when compared with its intact protein
And studies by Tang and Pennings showed whey to be twice as effective as casein, in both normal and hydrolyzed forms.
Ingestion of whey hydrolysate, casein, or soy protein isolate: effects on mixed muscle protein synthesis at rest and following resistance exercise in young men
Hydrolyzed is just another simple marketing gimmick my friend.
Also in regards to insulin, you make the mistake of assuming physiological doses of insulin are relatively anabolic to each other or that nutrition-mediated hormonal responses have anything but statistical significance (they don't, there is no clinical significance). In other words assuming that increasing insulin within physiological levels will have a clinical significance on anabolism. This is not the case, the difference of MPS when insulin levels change within physiological ranges remains the same. the only anabolic effects are noticed when going from physiological levels to supraphysiological levels via Slin/Humalog/etc or when going from clinically deficient levels to physiological levels which isnt the case here either, unless someone has untreated diabetes.
I suggest looking at the videos that Nosy Parker posted as Layne goes into great coverage about the insulin myth.
I use anywhere from 1cup to 3/4 of a gallon a day usually!
Woot, another almond milk drinker.
I acutally mixed almond milk with my whey today, first time ever and it wasn't that bad
PrayForMojo
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I like rice milk myself. I mix in a little honey, cinnamon, maybe vanilla extract. Cheap as hell to make and tastes good .
halfwit
I like turtles.
As someone that is lactose intolerant now, I can only drink almond milk. I actually like the taste of it to be honest.
Mad- scientist
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Lol I spent like 3 hours trying to study about hydrolyzed protein and all I could find was shitty reviews from people. How do you find all these crazy research studies. Lol if I would have read that I probably would have just bought normal protein powder
. And George farah said how good hydro whey was so I believed him. He made a good argument. lol so than what type of protein do you recommend?Lol I spent like 3 hours trying to study about hydrolyzed protein and all I could find was shitty reviews from people. How do you find all these crazy research studies. Lol if I would have read that I probably would have just bought normal protein powder
There is no real "best" protein. Whey will "spike" MPS quicker and harder but casein prolongs the "spike" for longer periods of time. According to Lyle McDonald, a mixed source protein is probably best but the differences between whey, casein, egg albumin, etc is all negligible. The single most important factor is to get your required protein intake for the day and the rest will balance out if you vary your sources. I use whey shakes, chicken, fish, beef, steaks, bison, lamb, pork, etc. Just eat some dead animals and have a shake or two if your still short on protein haha.
We've all been fooled by the marketing brother, i doubt any of us are exempt. I used to get excited running to GNC to see what "new and amazing" supps they had. Suffice to say, my results are no different now that I dont visit GNC and my pockets are definitely heavier (with the money I saved).
PrayForMojo
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As someone that is lactose intolerant now, I can only drink almond milk. I actually like the taste of it to be honest.
Rice milk has no lactose in it and if you are prone to kidney stones has less iron in it. Plus it's super cheap and easy to make .
As someone that is lactose intolerant now, I can only drink almond milk. I actually like the taste of it to be honest.
I can't eat cheese but most other dairy is fine for me but does cause some bloat if taken excessively. I got this brand that was fortified with rice and pea protein so it had 5g protein/serving, more than normal almond milk. I plan on using it tomorrow too instead of whole milk
Hull Tech
Recon to Caveman
Not sure about he US, but up here in Canada they use lactoserum removed from cheese making to thicken the chocolate milk to give it 'richness' So your getting a lot more whey in your chocolate milk then normal milk. But your also getting allot more refined sugar..
And in the context of the WHOLE diet where nutritional needs have been met, where exactly is the problem with sugar?
Hull Tech
Recon to Caveman
Seriously go seek help or alternately go die slowly in a fire.
It could just be that your unwavering ideology of food doesn't throw a shadow over all.. and some people may not want extra refined sugar in their diet. I understand that might cause you to have apoplexy or go on a tirade that can cause an aneurysm, ( one can only hope), but try to deal with it, quietly.
It could just be that your unwavering ideology of food doesn't throw a shadow over all.. and some people may not want extra refined sugar in their diet. I understand that might cause you to have apoplexy or go on a tirade that can cause an aneurysm, ( one can only hope), but try to deal with it, quietly.
And If you don't want excess sugar fine, don't do it, but don't imply refined sugar is necessarily a bad thing.
I thought we could end up buddies after this Hull, why you disappoint me so
? Are you through acting like my ex girlfriend's spoiled daughter and act more becoming of your age? Why the sour puss brother, I simply asked a question without trying to bring the hostility into another thread. PS you still have not answered any questions regarding this nutritional thing you might or might not have been taught in a major that deals with "the scientific study of human movement". Until you declare what sort of "training" you've had in nutrition you're just another one of those pontificating, myopic, Internet guru nutritionists you claim others to be, hypocricize much ?Edit* I've already came pretty close to dying a few times, sorry to burst your bubble. It's really not a bad thing since death is the only thing guaranteed in life. I guess your modus operandi is to revert back to childish attacks and get personal. Now stop being lippy with me and answer some questions or its back down on the knees for you!!!
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KingPen
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Yes true depending on your training style you may or may not ( most people not) deplete your glycogen stores or close to it. I train for upwards of two hours extremely high volume and intensity so I would bet that I do deplete a lot, (and i know i do because feel very lethargic, my sweat always starts to have an extreme ammonia smell towards the end of my workout, and i tend to get shaky and on edge until i refuel my self) regardless of that, everyone is different. And I guess I don't have any evidence showing that replenishing your glycogen stores quickly PWO is any more beneficial than waiting hours or so, but for ME its what works the best
From a logical standpoint, isn't the best time to stoke a fire when its at a full blaze, rather than waiting until it dies down and try to get it going again? same concept with our metabolism... It just seems optimal in my eyes to take in calories when your body is kicked in overdrive and is able to break down and shuttle these nutrients to your depleted cells in an extremely quick manner. You may be correct about the lack of science behind this, I don't know I have never done any extensive research in the matter.
...but just because there may not be any science that shows eating when your metabolism is amped up is superior or not superior or makes no difference, I still personally believe it is the most optimal time to take in large amounts of calories.
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