Clen/Albuterol questions. Age/Dangers.

[752]

Okay, long time lurker here.

I have decided to stay away from AAS, because I do not fit the age criteria. (I am 19)
So meanwhile, I've been trying to do some research to stay safe as possible.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe I could take clen/albuterol as it does not affect hormones.
But, I also look out first for my future and safety.



So I have some questions
Given taking appropriate dosages.

Is clen/albuterol fine for someone my age?
Is there any permanent or long-term sides effect of clen/albuterol?

I have read the study with rats and their hearts, but they also consumed excessive amounts if I recall.

Lastly ECA is unavailable in my country.

Thank you.


EDIT: I'm sorry if I come off as stupid, looking to make "GAINZ" and not caring about my health at all.

 

[KingBF]

clen will only cut fat off you by raising your body temp slightly. you will not get big on clen. side effects at 120-160mg's a day are pretty crazy for me. at 160mg i cant text on a phone correctly haha. increased heart rate, sweating, anxiety and hands shaky as fuck. As use clen towards the end of my test cycles to cut a little before i loose the water weight. as far as strength nothing changes

 

[KingBF]

If i was you i would just keep reaseaching diet and training and get them in check. by the time your 25 youll be def ready to start looking into AAS. most people forget about those two which are the most important not AAS.

 

[752]

clen will only cut fat off you by raising your body temp slightly. you will not get big on clen. side effects at 120-160mg's a day are pretty crazy for me. at 160mg i cant text on a phone correctly haha. increased heart rate, sweating, anxiety and hands shaky as fuck. As use clen towards the end of my test cycles to cut a little before i loose the water weight. as far as strength nothing changes

Yeah I've done sufficient research on many products already, also the reason for this thread is to become more knowledgable.
I wouldn't exceed 120mg, especially at first cycle, I'd probably run 120mg MAX, if not 100mg.

I'm more concerned about long term side effects.

If i was you i would just keep reaseaching diet and training and get them in check. by the time your 25 youll be def ready to start looking into AAS. most people forget about those two which are the most important not AAS.

I already have an outline of my first cycle when I hit 25.
It will be the best birthday present ever!

My diet and training is pretty much on point, track macros, hit it,
losing weight at a steady pace.



If I use clen and albuterol would
1. Fasten the pace so I can bulk again
2. Allow me to keep my muscle
3. Allow me to keep my strength





Also another question for everyone, does clen effect MPS rate?



EDIT:
Heres some sources: if not I'll just read it when I have time.
journals.cambridge.org/download.php?file=%2FBJN%2FBJN56_01%2FS0007114586001058a.pdf&code=d08d64121105b9abd36eebf438633b36

animal-science.org/content/67/9/2245.full.pdf

www-04.all-portland.net/bsr/004/0083/0040083.pdf

musculardevelopmentandphysicalperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Anabolics-effects-of-clenbuterol-on-skeletal-muscle-are-mediated-by-B2.pdf

 

[Dr.Phoenix]

1 very interesting thing, in my country Albuterol is legal, very easily buy but ....
It makes me so AGGRESSIVE, i mean really angry. I fight with people all the time.
That is why Clen is better choice but 80 mcg is good enough.
Do not take high doses for too long because it makes Necrosis on heart cells - damages your heart

 

[752]

1 very interesting thing, in my country Albuterol is legal, very easily buy but ....
It makes me so AGGRESSIVE, i mean really angry. I fight with people all the time.
That is why Clen is better choice but 80 mcg is good enough.
Do not take high doses for too long because it makes Necrosis on heart cells - damages your heart

Thankyou for the reply.
I was wondering is the damage to your heart permanent, I wouldn't mind running max of 80mg, of course if I was to run, I'd track my mood and everything,
I have heard a lot of side effects kick in from "idiots" starting with 60mg etc though.
And to be honest, I haven't done much research on Albuterol, other than how to run, cycles, side effects, and history of it.
I never heard of clen making you aggressive.

 

[cheech1]

anyone here of crealine performance its a ugl or ck labs this has a bulldog on the label another ugl?

 

[bigkit34]

i like albuterol better for the simple fact i'm able to sleep at night while running it. clen not so much. remember clen is measured in mcg's not mg's so its stronger than albuterol but i had worse sides with clen

 

[752]

oh right sorry i was thinking too much of test. hehe.

Thanks for the advice, I have heard albuterol is much safer than clen.

It would make sense to start somewhere there if all goes well.



edit: I always see "CLEN FAQS" or "CLEN FOR NOOBIES" etc. threads,
but there isn't many Albuterol threads like that.
If anyone finds one, please link
I'd like to do more research rather than going around with bits and pieces of opinions/ mix and match.



And I totally forgot, I won't be using T3 either way.

 

[752]

Sorry, but safety comes first,
Bump.

 

[John.maltese]

Honestly bud I'm guessing you don't need any of the above. What are your stats? At 19 your a virtual muscle building fat torching machine! I think it's awesome you are not just jumping on the aas band wagon. Do as much research on nutrition and excercise and you might surpass your goals before your 25! Just my humble opinion

 

[752]

Honestly bud I'm guessing you don't need any of the above. What are your stats? At 19 your a virtual muscle building fat torching machine! I think it's awesome you are not just jumping on the aas band wagon. Do as much research on nutrition and excercise and you might surpass your goals before your 25! Just my humble opinion

Hehe, well my goals are IFBB pro.
I understand my genetics will never carry me to Mr.Olympia,
but I'd still like to get my pro card some day.

Thank you as well.

 

[mbwood]

lol @ actually listening to people on steroid forums and not using roids till you're 25.

Clen is probably more dangerous for anyone than testosterone, regardless of age. Lots of 18 year olds are used as test subjects in studies with testosterone and scientists have no problem with it.

Clen isn't magic. It will assist in a cut A BIT but it's not going to help you that much.

 

[752]

lol @ actually listening to people on steroid forums and not using roids till you're 25.

Clen is probably more dangerous for anyone than testosterone, regardless of age. Lots of 18 year olds are used as test subjects in studies with testosterone and scientists have no problem with it.

Clen isn't magic. It will assist in a cut A BIT but it's not going to help you that much.

Do you believe clen is dangerous if you do not overdo it? and take it as followed

Either way ATM, I'd rather try albuterol, many have suggested it is easier on you.

Actually I do believe that AAS can be taken independent of age, I always thought that was a scare because after 25 you SHOULD be able to make your own life decisions, including the more dangerous ones.
But I'd prefer if someone else tested that hypothesis

 

[752]

Sorry, final bump

 

[halfwit]

I personally wouldn't recommend using a beta-2 agonist at your age just because there isn't really enough data out there to make an informed decision whether there are any long term risks or potential damage to your developing body. I do know that anything that has the ability to change heart rhythms can cause a permanent murmur, but can't say for sure if this would be a factor because of age.

If you're looking to lose weight; which is what these are primarily used for, look into keto diets or even carb cycling. Caffeine/cinnamon/yohimbe stacks can mimic some of the benefits of clen/albuterol, and should be easy to have access to. I think diet is what will make the biggest change for you since if you can learn to control how/what you eat, the rest will be smooth sailing later on when you are ready for AAS/peptides/ancillaries.

I am glad that you're asking these questions BEFORE you start taking chemicals looking for a shortcut. You provide me some hope for your generation.

My .02c

 

[752]

I personally wouldn't recommend using a beta-2 agonist at your age just because there isn't really enough data out there to make an informed decision whether there are any long term risks or potential damage to your developing body. I do know that anything that has the ability to change heart rhythms can cause a permanent murmur, but can't say for sure if this would be a factor because of age.

If you're looking to lose weight; which is what these are primarily used for, look into keto diets or even carb cycling. Caffeine/cinnamon/yohimbe stacks can mimic some of the benefits of clen/albuterol, and should be easy to have access to. I think diet is what will make the biggest change for you since if you can learn to control how/what you eat, the rest will be smooth sailing later on when you are ready for AAS/peptides/ancillaries.

I am glad that you're asking these questions BEFORE you start taking chemicals looking for a shortcut. You provide me some hope for your generation.

My .02c

Wow, excellent response, and you're probably right, that there has been insufficient research on these.
And that probably single-handedly convince me to temporarily stay away from clen/albuterol.

I don't like the ketogenic diet because if I recall, ketones are not as muscle sparing as glucose.

Yohimbe is illegal in Australia, which is the reason I don't believe in fat burners in Australia, I take pre-workouts and drink tea which pretty much is caffeine.
I never heard of cinnamon for fat loss but I'll probably do some research on it soon.

Lol and yeah my generation is pretty doomed,
At my gym, I'd safely say 80% of the start with insufficient knowledge of AAS.

Someone tried to debate with me that,
Test-e, A-Dex, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), Clomid was "too much" for first cycle and that d-bol only cycle was better.
lol

Thanks once again for the response.