Clomid or Nolvadex Post cycle?

[Uk Boy]

What are the pros and cons of these two drugs post cycle. I have read the post cycle therapy (pct) protocols in the stickys but its still a little unclear.
What do you guys out there prefer to use after HCG post cycle?
Nolva or Clomid or something else?
Which is the more effective treatment?

 

[bigEge]

Everybody is different. I prefer nolva myself because clomid made me to emotional. The only side I had with nolva was a little back acne, but that was probably more related to the Sustanon then the nolva.

 

[Uk Boy]

Everybody is different. I prefer nolva myself because clomid made me to emotional. The only side I had with nolva was a little back acne, but that was probably more related to the Sustanon then the nolva.

Were you able to compare the two treatments in terms of which one helped you recover better and which one gave you the smoother transition into natural training?

 

[bigEge]

I didn't have any problem with the nolva. I think the biggest problem is mental. You start losing some of your gains (expected), but it starts messing with your head. You tend to blow it out of proprtion, but that's just part of the game.

 

[RRAdam]

Scientifically and clinically nolva is a better serm and a better LH booster than clomid...

yet many people still swear by clomid.

 

[jarbulldog]

i prefer to use both

 

[gumbo]

I've used them both, but when I used Clomid by itself, I was a whiny and emotional bitch. Huge mood swings and started feeling guilty about past relationships, etc. I couldn't believe it....
From now on, I lower the dose of the Clomid and use it with Nolva.

Gumbo

 

[ftw666]

i've never done a nolva only post cycle therapy (pct) just clomid i have no problems
like other people have with it the only side it gives me is hot flashes

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Scientifically and clinically nolva is a better serm and a better LH booster than clomid...

yet many people still swear by clomid.

Then post 'em up bro, cause I'm not buying into that.

Sure it's better for gyno, but not at restarting your HPTA. Why do you think guys get more sides from Clomid?....answer - cause it is changing your hormone levels more rapidly than Nolvadex, and that is what you want.

 

[RRAdam]

No problem...


nolva and clomid are both SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulators) meaning they both have the same function.
They both bind to estrogen receptors rendering free estrogen useless. they do not really "shut down" estrogen production, though after having no test in your system after a cycle, the body may not produce anymore. both clomid AND nolva bind at estrogen receptors in the hypothalumus - the hypothalumus then senses a lack of estrogen, since estrogen cannot bind to the hypothalumus. the hypothalumus then produces luteinizing hormone (LH) which triggers the sex organs to produce more sex hormones - in men the testes will produce more testosterone.

In addition - nolva has been proven to work better than clomid in these instances..

http://www.basskilleronline.com/nolvadex_vs_clomid.html

and

Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men.

Vermeulen A, Comhaire F.

The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.

 

[Bigdaddy29]

I know is an old thread, but good info.