Clomid with already high testosterone

[PrinceDianabol]

Where your LH and FSH sitting at blackbeard? Correct me if I'm wrong here but clomids ability to raise test largely depends on pituatry output... If your LH is already really high I doubt you'd see much benefit. I'm sure theres a limit to how much LH it can secrete.

People with low test see awesome increases, though they usually don't have super high LH. Will be interesting to see how effective this is for you.

Will you be doing pre and post bloodwork?

 

[NewBorn01]

news please

 

[Black Beard]

Haha, this is old. I never did the experiment. I was really interested in clomiphene monotherapy, but decided against it after reading the subpar results in terms of mood, libido, etc. Basically, people got good numbers in their blood work, but the real world results were disappointing. Some people feel better on clomid monotherapy, but for a lot of people the estrogen agonist effect of the e2 agonist clomiphene isomer neutralizes the effects of the higher testosterone levels on the androgen receptors of the brain. I think Hcg monotherapy has a lot more potential than clomid. There's a pharma company developing a new drug based on the clomid isomer that antagonizes the e2 receptor. Theoretically, this should give use the boost in testosterone without any of the "weepy" e2 side effects of the original clomid.



@prince I don't have the numbers anymore but it wouldn't be worth it. Now when enclomiphene comes out, that's a different story



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23875626

 

[NewBorn01]

do you know when enclomiphene will be in sale?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Haha, this is old. I never did the experiment. I was really interested in clomiphene monotherapy, but decided against it after reading the subpar results in terms of mood, libido, etc. Basically, people got good numbers in their blood work, but the real world results were disappointing. Some people feel better on clomid monotherapy, but for a lot of people the estrogen agonist effect of the e2 agonist clomiphene isomer neutralizes the effects of the higher testosterone levels on the androgen receptors of the brain. I think Hcg monotherapy has a lot more potential than clomid. There's a pharma company developing a new drug based on the clomid isomer that antagonizes the e2 receptor. Theoretically, this should give use the boost in testosterone without any of the "weepy" e2 side effects of the original clomid.



@prince I don't have the numbers anymore but it wouldn't be worth it. Now when enclomiphene comes out, that's a different story



Testosterone Restoration by Enclomiphene Citrate in ... [BJU Int. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

Yeah I've heard a lot of people don't feel as good on clomid for those reasons... Personally Cloid makes me feel pretty awesome. I'm not sensitive at all to estrogen though, I've had e2 in the hundreds before and never got any emotional/weepy sides.

I would think Torem monotherapy would show some real promise. It doesn't give those sides that clomid can. But it's just as good for boosting natty LH as clomid. I'd go torem or clomid over HCG monotherapy anyday though.. Simply being that HCG is suppressive.

 

[bigjohn101]

Yeah I've heard a lot of people don't feel as good on clomid for those reasons... Personally Cloid makes me feel pretty awesome. I'm not sensitive at all to estrogen though, I've had e2 in the hundreds before and never got any emotional/weepy sides.

I would think Torem monotherapy would show some real promise. It doesn't give those sides that clomid can. But it's just as good for boosting natty LH as clomid. I'd go torem or clomid over HCG monotherapy anyday though.. Simply being that HCG is suppressive.

hi bro, could u share ur experience with these test raising meds like clomid or torem on muscle gain as my all levels are pretty normal yet i have very low muscle mass so i wanna know if raising my level will help.... I have extremely low muscle mass i m 6 foot with 20%bodyfat yet my arms are 12 inch :/ i lift baby weights ...... now i am looking into vitaminD and myostatin .... i really need to know people experience

my bloodwork latest age 22

testosterone 20nmol/L (range 9-34.7)
shbg 26.2nmol/l (13-71)
E2 114pmol( <176)
fsh 3.5 U/L(0.8 - 9.0)
Lh 4.3 U/L (0.8 - 7.6)

i am asking help is because i don't just want high numbers like blackbeard said ...... I am looking for muscle gain with that as well .

 

[NewBorn01]

you have good levels of hormones , you can add muscle easily if you're a beginner ; you don't need to take a SERM ^^

 

[Black Beard]

You're 20% bodyfat and your E2 is high(estradiol aka bad estrogen) Get your body fat down and do a bulk. Look into something like "starting strength" to build a solid base of strength and learn the basic compound movements. People always think there is something wrong with them when they don't have huge biceps and a ripping six pack. You just haven't put the time in to earning those things. Building muscle takes work and consistency. With or without steroids.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

hi bro, could u share ur experience with these test raising meds like clomid or torem on muscle gain as my all levels are pretty normal yet i have very low muscle mass so i wanna know if raising my level will help.... I have extremely low muscle mass i m 6 foot with 20%bodyfat yet my arms are 12 inch :/ i lift baby weights ...... now i am looking into vitaminD and myostatin .... i really need to know people experience

my bloodwork latest age 22

testosterone 20nmol/L (range 9-34.7)
shbg 26.2nmol/l (13-71)
E2 114pmol( <176)
fsh 3.5 U/L(0.8 - 9.0)
Lh 4.3 U/L (0.8 - 7.6)

i am asking help is because i don't just want high numbers like blackbeard said ...... I am looking for muscle gain with that as well .

Clomid will raise test, which will help with muscle building... But the amount clomid will raise it to won't give you any noticable gains. It might take you to the upper range, but when you consider a moderate test cycle puts you over double the upper natural limit its not much.

Your test is good as it is... You don't need clomid, or steroids or a myostatin inhibitor... You need food. And you need to learn how to eat properly. Use the money you were gonna spend on clomid/whos knows what and put it to a diet from 3J. That will yeild far greater results than clomid or even a test cycle would for you at this point.