This was just after eating, didn't look as lean as I do in the mornings. My lats kill me, I can't seem to get them out. I do wide grip pull ups 4x8 or till failure. Lat pull downs, and bent over rows. I hate my gut, but I'm working on it. I would love to start a cycle of clen to help out. Great skin? No way. Just tanned a bit. Thanks.