Critique my cutting cycle please

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louman

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Week 1-16 500mg test E
Week 1-16 500mg EQ
Week 1-6 50mg winstrol
.5adex eod


Shits will be split into 250mg 2x weekly

Not sure how to take the winny, should I split the dose like dbol even though winny has a longer half life than dbol and anadr?


Still deciding if masteron would be better that equipose
But I wish to try eq since I have yet to

Goal is to cut BF down whole keeping as much mass and strength as
Possible

Will be cutting calories down and adding in cardio more
 
Masteron is better than EQ.
I'd reconsider using EQ, that's a fucked up compound.
IF U insist on using it, keep ur eyes wide open , ur RBC Would sky rocket.. Donate blood.
 
I love eq. Have used it many times over the past few years. Some people love it, some hate it.... trial and error. It does need to be run for a while though.
 
just an idea , but If this is a cutting cycle , id imagine the idea is to progressively get leaner and harder... right ? so why not run the winstrol the last 6 weeks instead of the first 6 as u are even leaner by the end of cycle id assume , and u can give the winstrol the chance to give u the true dry look its good at giving when at lower bf% . ull be leaner at the end and the winstrol will help push u to the next level do to its properties . just an idea
 
16 weeks seems like a long time to be cutting to me..

We all know this is going to be diet dependent and we know test is test.. But I've read that test prop is a better test compound for cutting then test e (less bloat as well)..
If your gonna really run a cutting cycle that long, adding a compound like primo during the whole duration may be beneficial,, and if you get your body fat down, then adding mast or winny on the back end of your cycle would be good too
 
What are the differences in eq and mast in terms of mass,strength, and anabolic effects?

How bad is the joint pain on winstrol oral?


Also just out of my own curiosity, could this cycle be used as a re comp or a lean mass gain instead of cut? Say u wanna add as much mass and stay around 8-10 would this be a good cycle or that?
 
I see, well my opinion on a cutting cycle is either test/mast/var......test/mast/tren......test/tren/var. Leave the winstrol alone, itll most likely dry your joint out and cause you a lot of pain.
 
louman said:
Week 1-16 500mg test E
Week 1-16 500mg EQ
Week 1-6 50mg winstrol
.5adex eod


Shits will be split into 250mg 2x weekly

Not sure how to take the winny, should I split the dose like dbol even though winny has a longer half life than dbol and anadr?


Still deciding if masteron would be better that equipose
But I wish to try eq since I have yet to

Goal is to cut BF down whole keeping as much mass and strength as
Possible

Will be cutting calories down and adding in cardio more
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Run the winstrol at the end of your cycle brother. The last 6 weeks not the first, and masteron will definitely better than EQ. EQ will aromatize to some degree.

You could go with masteron and test prop and see very nice result when you finish. You can do much better than eq as a cutting agent.
 
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tbonexl said:
Are u going to change up your training again too?
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Duh, I mean unless doing the same thing over an over for moths gets results
Ya I change my routine up every 6-8 weeks
Change reps,weight and rest periods on a weekly basis

Why would u not make changes to ur workout?
 
At these doses it doesn't matter very much what you're running - you have enough AAS to prevent catabolism, whether it's just 500mg test or 500 test w/ 500 eq or mast whatever won't make fuck all for difference compared to your diet, and a lesser extent your training/sleep etc.

When you get into >1g test plus deca, eq, tren, primo, high-dose orals or whatever, then it makes a much bigger difference which compounds you are running, and their respective doses/proportions

"Cut cycle" is:
-enough test to prevent catabolism (300-600 depending on how fast you are cutting) + deficit (from restricted cals and/or cardio)
-test with extra cutters (t3, tren, dnp etc) and/or deficit
 
louman said:
Change reps,weight and rest periods on a weekly basis
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This is a terrible...TERRIBLE...approach to training regardless of your goal.

Changing everything weekly wont help you get stronger, wont help you build muscle and wont help you lose fat. So why are you doing it?

Training variability has its place, especially for experienced lifters, but you should only change 1 variable every 8-12 weeks or so.
For example, you might want to reduce your reps OR reduce your rest period OR increase the weight, not everything at the same time.

By changing everything weekly how can you possibly know what works & what doesn't? The answer is you don't, its just a terrible approach to training regardless of your goal.

Pick a routine, stick to it for 8-12 weeks, change ONE thing and see the results - repeat until results are optimal :)
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
This is a terrible...TERRIBLE...approach to training regardless of your goal.

Changing everything weekly wont help you get stronger, wont help you build muscle and wont help you lose fat. So why are you doing it?

Training variability has its place, especially for experienced lifters, but you should only change 1 variable every 8-12 weeks or so.
For example, you might want to reduce your reps OR reduce your rest period OR increase the weight, not everything at the same time.

By changing everything weekly how can you possibly know what works & what doesn't? The answer is you don't, its just a terrible approach to training regardless of your goal.

Pick a routine, stick to it for 8-12 weeks, change ONE thing and see the results - repeat until results are optimal :)
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Hey zilla How u Ben buddy?

I have a question for u ..
I was reading the UD2.0 and I know you are a fan of Lyle..
I understood that his approach is depleting glycogen with high reps/moderate weights/short rest on low carb days.... And then changing this to a more intense training on the moderate days..
Frankly speaking, I went quickly on the diet, and didn't read it deeply.. So did I misunderstood anything?
 
Rida5d said:
Hey zilla How u Ben buddy?

I have a question for u ..
I was reading the UD2.0 and I know you are a fan of Lyle..
I understood that his approach is depleting glycogen with high reps/moderate weights/short rest on low carb days.... And then changing this to a more intense training on the moderate days..
Frankly speaking, I went quickly on the diet, and didn't read it deeply.. So did I misunderstood anything?
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I'm very well my friend, and yourself?

Lyle is definetly one of the best, if not THE best, guy to learn from when it comes to body recomposition.
I own most of his books but I have to say that I'm not a huge fan of UD 2.0.

From what I remember, UD 2.0 was designed as a recomp strategy (build muscle/lose fat at the same time) for very experienced athletes/lifters who are below 15%bf.
The idea is basically calorie partitioning - using certain techniques to force your body to burn fat on certain days (depletion training, etc) and to build muscle on other days (power training, carb loads, etc).

The programme itself does work but here is the problem:

Its a very rigid programme with no wiggle room at all - meaning you have to follow it EXACTLY by the book or you wont get the results.
Lets face it we all have things going on in our lives that interfere with our diet/training regimes, which is why its a good idea to have flexibility built into our programmes so its not an issue.
On a program as precise as UD 2.0 there is no flexibility, which is why I would only recommend it to athletes that are trying to improve(run faster, jump high, lift heavier, etc) AND lose fat at the same time.

UD 2.0 also gives you an idea as to why I ALWAYS recommend hiring a coach to help with recomps.
Its very difficult to get it right, and very easy it get it wrong if you attempt it yourself :)
 
Mrrippedzilla said:
This is a terrible...TERRIBLE...approach to training regardless of your goal.

Changing everything weekly wont help you get stronger, wont help you build muscle and wont help you lose fat. So why are you doing it?

Training variability has its place, especially for experienced lifters, but you should only change 1 variable every 8-12 weeks or so.
For example, you might want to reduce your reps OR reduce your rest period OR increase the weight, not everything at the same time.

By changing everything weekly how can you possibly know what works & what doesn't? The answer is you don't, its just a terrible approach to training regardless of your goal.

Pick a routine, stick to it for 8-12 weeks, change ONE thing and see the results - repeat until results are optimal :)
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Are you serious?? Have u never heard of waves?
So ur telling u do for example 4x8 bench 300 for
8 weeks before changing? Why not do 4x8 300 on week 4x6 315 next
And so on. Then in a few weeks go back to 4x8 and try to increase it .
Progressive overload my friend. And say I wanna try to increased weight so I may do longer rest periods to handle the wieght. Or say i went heavy last week this week I wanna fatgue with moderate wieght so I shorten rest time.

I keep my routines the same for 8 weeks or so. Sake exercises an order of them. I just do a weekly wage rep scheme and re start the
Program using a heavier wieght than before for each rep cycle.
Look at wendlers 5/3/1 somewhat like that but a bidybuilding approach
But you still have to increase either tension(wieght) or intensity each week to make progess
Intensity can be changed by rest perkods, tempo and total volume
 
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