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Hi guys planning my next cycle and just seeing what you guys think or have had any experience and results from the same type of cycle

Weeks 1-16 test cyp 400mg w
Weeks 1-5 Tbol 40-60mg ed
Weeks 1-10 tren e 200mg w
Weeks 10-18 ana Anavar (var) 50mg ed
Weeks 19-21 pct

I have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and arimidex on hand and can run during cycle as well. I have done a Anavar (var) only cycle a test e only cycle and a test cyp and ana Anavar (var) cycle. This is my first time with tren and tbol this is why Iam doseing low and adjust later. Looking to add solded lean keepable mass without bloat or water weight

Just looking for input about the tren e should it be 10 weeks longer ? Shorter later in the cycle ect or does everything look ok
Also I can get tnt blend ot test n tren seprate has any one used the blend it is cheaper to use but can't controll dose and much and would have to switch to cyp alone any way to go 16 weeks
 
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Hi guys planning my next cycle and just seeing what you guys think or have had any experience and results from the same type of cycle

Weeks 1-16 test cyp 400mg w
Weeks 1-5 Tbol 40-60mg ed
Weeks 1-10 tren e 200mg w
Weeks 1-18 ana Anavar (var) 50mg ed
Weeks 19-21 pct

I have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and arimidex on hand and can run during cycle as well. I have done a Anavar (var) only cycle a test e only cycle and a test cyp and ana Anavar (var) cycle. This is my first time with tren and tbol this is why Iam doseing low and adjust later. Looking to add solded lean keepable mass without bloat or water weight

Just looking for input about the tren e should it be 10 weeks longer ? Shorter later in the cycle ect or does everything look ok
Also I can get tnt blend ot test n tren seprate has any one used the blend it is cheaper to use but can't controll dose and much and would have to switch to cyp alone any way to go 16 weeks

How many cycles have you ran? Your stats?
 
Stats

5'10
198 lbs

History
1st cycle Anavar (var) only 40mg w upped to 60 mg w for 10 weeks
2nd cycle test cyp 250 mg w upped to 500 w for 10 weeks
3rd cycle test cyp 500 mg week for 10 weeks 50 mg w Anavar (var) for 8 weeks
 
It's at least your 3rd run. Dosages are moderate and conservative except for 18 weeks of ana Anavar (var) ! and while t-bol is mild I don't see a reason to run it with the Anavar (var) .

I do like that you cut the tren of at week 10

I also like the Anavar (var) running 2 weeks past the last test shot and gliding you into PCT.

How old are you?
 
dont run 2 orals at the same time bro , be kind to your liver .
maybe weeks 1-6 tbol and weeks 12-18 Anavar (var) , that gives you a break in the middle .
i also dont think you will see much off of 200 mg of tren but it definately wont hurt.
 
Hey sorry zeek the Anavar (var) is at the end weeks 10 to 18 lol missed a zero that would be a bit much on the liver I think lol and for age iam 27 28 almost lol I was using the tbol as a kick like dbol and Anavar (var) to finish up
 
Hey dadawg yea I was planning on upping the tren if I don't see sides and feel ok 4 weeks in or so and also I agree on 2 orals at once sorry missed a zero Anavar (var) weeks 10-18 tbol 1-4 or 6 as you say if you think 6 weeks is better then 4 for the tbol
 
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start the tren E at 300mg ew IMO and then later go to 4 if you can tolerate it well

That makes the cycle much better..go ahead and revise it so you don't confuse the guys that might just read the first post then reply.

I still have some concerns over your PCT choices but when it comes to PCT there are many ways to skin the same cat so don't want to push my views. Maybe explain your PCT plan out and that should do it
 
Well I have a buddy with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and arimadex for gyno if any problems pop up for pct iam open to ideas and have acess to anything I was thinking
Aromasin and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for pct ?
 
Well I have a buddy with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and arimadex for gyno if any problems pop up for pct iam open to ideas and have acess to anything I was thinking
Aromasin and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for pct ?

I personally do not like those PCT options, lets see what the other guys say as they log in tonight.
 
Yea this is a area iam not too sure of I know people say nova and clomid as well but I have seen a lot of mixed reviews and being my 3 rd real cycle lol Anavar (var) only doesn't really count and was a waste imo. I would love to see what people have to say about a good pct for that cycle
 
I was planning on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for the first 2 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct) 500iu eod with 3 weeks of aromasin 12.5mg ed I guess it wouldn't hurt to put some clomid in there as well
 
I was planning on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for the first 2 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct) 500iu eod with 3 weeks of aromasin 12.5mg ed I guess it wouldn't hurt to put some clomid in there as well

It sounds like you may need to study up on Pct... CLOMID raises test levels..hcg doesn't.
 
Clomid

Here is a little something to read:
Clomid, as it is most often called, is one of the most popular post cycle therapy (pct) drugs today, and is a staple of most bodybuilder's protocol. Clomid is typically prescribed for women to aid in ovulation. In men, the application of Clomid causes an elevation of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone. As a result, natural testosterone production is also increased. This effect is obviously beneficial to the athlete, especially at the conclusion of a cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are subnormal. Clomid will gradually raise testosterone levels over its period of intake.

Clomid is typically prescribed for women to aid in ovulation. In men, the application of Clomid causes an elevation of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone. As a result, natural testosterone production is also increased. This effect is obviously beneficial to the athlete, especially at the conclusion of a cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are subnormal. Clomid will gradually raise testosterone levels over its period of intake.

Clomid is also effective as an anti-estrogen. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete gets the dual effect of blocking out some of the effects of estrogen, while also increasing endogenous testosterone production.

Users often take the drug in a dosage of 100-150mgs a day for 4-6 weeks following the end of a cycle.
 
This is what iam going off of that aromasin and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) both raise nat test levels that is why Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) helps ball shrinkage

Aromasin was originally developed to fight breast cancer in post-menopausal women, who required a particularly aggressive therapy, and for whom first line defenses like Tamoxifen and Clomiphene Citrate did not work, so its a considerably potent drug. In athletics and bodybuilding, it is used as an ancillary compound within anabolic steroid cycles for its estrogen reducing properties, and has the additional benefit of modestly increasing testosterone levels.
Many anabolic steroids aromatize (convert to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme), a process that is responsible for many of the undesirable side effects which can accompany anabolic steroid use such as acne, gynecomastia, water-retention, etc. Aromasin effectively lowers bodily estrogen production 95-98% by blocking the aromatase enzyme, the one responsible for estrogen synthesis. (1)(2)(3)

As with most of the compounds in this class, it also causes a reasonable rise in testosterone levels (6), and as you may have guessed, this rise in testosterone means that Exemestane can promote androgenic sides (8)(9)(10). The chart below depicts just how efficient it is at both lowering estrogen (estradiol) and raising testosterone.


FIG. 1.
Estrogen and androgen plasma levels after 10 d of daily exemestane (25 or 50 mg) in healthy young males (mean SD; n = 911). To convert to Systeme International units: estradiol, picomoles per liter (x3.671); estrone, picomoles per liter (x3.699); androstenedione, nanomoles per liter (*0.003492); and testosterone, nanomoles per liter (x0.03467).(13)

As depicted in the chart, 25 mg is a very effective dosage, and as an added benefit, Aromasin not only increases testosterone and lowers estrogen, but it also increases Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF) levels (11). Additionally, it may possibly be less harsh on blood lipids (14) than other AIs used in bodybuilding and athletics. Much like Arimidex, youll need to take it for a week to reach steady blood plasma levels, but unlike Arimidex it has a rather long half-life of 27 hours (12). This combination of characteristics makes it a wise post-cycle therapy addition.

HCG

HCG is clinically used to induce ovulation and treat ovarian disorders in women, as well stimulate the testes hypogonadal (underproduction of testosterone) men. It is also used in the treatment of undescended testicles in young males. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) offers no potential performance enhancement in female athletes, but does prove to be very useful in male athletes especially those that use AAS. As stated above Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in males is similar to LH, because they are similar and LH binds to receptors on leydig cells stimulating synthesis and secretion of testosterone, the use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be an added bonus to ASS users even if there is a lack of endogenous LH. Since Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) increases the bodys natural testosterone levels its use during long or extremely high dosed cycles can be most beneficial were the effects on the hypothalamus causes a depressed signal to the testicles. The result of the depressed signal leads to what is known as testicular atrophy (shrunken nuts). The use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will send an artificial signal to the testes (again, as if it were actually LH), thus preventing (to some degree) atrophy. It not only helps to maintain testicular size and condition but it will also help in restoring testicles back to their original size. At a time when below normal androgen levels (due to ASS use) could become costly. Restarting natural testosterone production as quickly as possible is of a special concern in males at the end of a cycle of AAS. The price paid by bodybuilders for failing to raise natural test levels is the loss of most if not all the hard earned muscle you have gained, the main cause is cortisol. Cortisol sends a message to the muscles that is opposite to that of testosterone. If cortisol is not dealt with (because of an extremely low testosterone level) it will quickly strip away the new and hard earned muscle you have just gotten.

Some users find that they have better gains and quicker recovery while using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during a cycle of AAS. This first claim is more than likely due to the fact that the body has a high level of natural testosterone as well as that provided by the use of AAS, and the second may be somewhat justifiable, as stimulating the testes to secrete testosterone intermittently may aid recovery. Perhaps this is due to the maintenence of a higher level of Inter-Testicular-Testosterone (ITT) provided by the intermittent use of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), which should greatly aid recovery of the hypothalamic-testicular-pituitary-axis. An average dose of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during a cycle is between 500iu to 1000iu every week to every other week while on a cycle. In one study I looked at, a single injection of 6000IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) elevated test levels for 6 days. Thats why a lot of people recommend taking it every 3-5 days. Wed have more stable blood levels, though if we shot it more frequently. Remember, its non-estrified and a water-based injectable, after all. In that same study I just spoke of, 1500IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot test levels up between 250 and 300%. Taking it all at once however will cause an increase in estrogen levels caused by the aromatization of normal testosterone; the result may be a case of gynecomastia for the user (3).

HCG CYCLES

As regards HCGs use of Post-Cycle-Therapy (PCT), smaller and more frequent doses after a cycle of AAS would give the best results with the least amount of side effects. A dose of 250iu to 500iu everyday (ed) for 2 to 3 weeks is plenty and should very little from person to person (3). The Physicians Desk Reference recommends 500iu/day, as did the late, great, Dan Duchaine. The smaller doses are sufficient enough to begin reversal of testicular atrophy

So in therory if I use aromasin Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and clomid that seems a bullet proof way to make sure the natty test comes back to normal or maybe just experiment and see what works best for me
 
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