Cycle help and advice?!?!

[jackfowlerpt]

Right lads im about to jump on my 4rd cycle and just wanted people input/suggestions etc and just general opinion, im no were near*'experienced' and im still learning the ropes, Hears my last 3*cycles;

First cycle was: * all Dhacks

Test E only cycle for 12 weeks 500mg/pw*just to see how i reacted to the compound, pct started*10 days after last jab and was a mix of nolva and clomid for 4 weeks!*

Second cycle was: * all Dhacks

Test E 500mg/pw, deca 500mg/pw both for 14 weeks, i dropped the test a week*before the deca then waited 3 weeks after last shot of deca*till i started pct which consisted of 10 days of HCG 500iu ED then*4 weeks again a mix of nolva/clomid

Third cycle: * all dhack*

Test E 500mg/pw, boldonone 800mg/pw, for 20 weeks proviron 50mg ED throughout and anavar 50mg ED from week 10-20 pct was same as second cycle!*

Now my 4th cycle im wanting to bulk and run test and deca again but this time a little differently, all alpha pharma

Week 1-4 going to run sus/npp monday and friday and deca/npp every wednesday for 4 weeks, then from week 5-14 just the sus/deca every monday and thursday, 50mg of dbol/ED for first 4 weeks and 50mg of anavar ED from*week 5-14! And 0.5mg aromasin EOD throughout. My PCT will be the same as 2nd and 3rd cycle,*Now my question regarding this course which im due to start the 1st of october, my questions are this

question 1: is it a good idea to run the NPP the first 4 weeks to kick start the deca or will the dbol be enough,

question 2: will the prop in the sus be enough to lets say counteract the shut down from the npp the first 4 weeks and finally

question 4: is there going to be any benifits from running the var i understand i wouldnt get much cut with it as of the type of cycle im running but for strength*and*anything else you would do/change etc would be massivley appriciated lads, my stats are:

Age 24, 6ft 1, 210lb, 16% BF

thanks for any help....

 

[tbonexl]

Npp is a shorter ester compound. As a kick starter, I would pin it eod not twice a week. Since you plan on using dbol too, how much of a kick start do you need?

#2 Everything shuts you down bud. That's why test is the base for every cycle.

#3/4? I don't see why you want to use so many orals during your cycle. Bad on the liver bud...

Now some questions for you...

Why only .50mgs of Aromasin? Usually 12.5mgs every day is a normal start. Why are you stopping test a week before deca in previous cycles? Wrong! You want to run test atleast a couple weeks longer then deca. Deca is a long ester and as mentioned above, everything shuts you down! Test is the base for every cycle. Why are you starting pct 10 days after last pin? Way too soon! Atleast 18-21 days if not longer. Sust has long long esters in it. Why start pct with elevated test levels? Not a good move.. Why aren't you running hcg from the beginning of your cycle up to pct???

It doesn't seem like you know all the ABC's of using gear. Lots of red flags in your post. Read this link bud...

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

How's that 3j??? lol

 

[3J]

im going to break this down for you and make it simple.. under the assumption that you will tell me what your diet looks like while on this cycle and share your stats with me.. because a cycle without a proper diet is like sitting in a ferrari with no gas in the tank.. feels great to be there.. but youre not getting anywhere..

here is the proposed cycle

test e or c 600mg a week 1-14
Deca 600mg a week 1-13
dbol 50mg ed 1-4
prami .25-.5 every 3.5 days
hcg 250iu every 3.5 days from start to the day of pct drugs

pct 50mg clomid 20mg nolva ed starting week 16


stop complicating your cycle.. npp not necessary when dbol is in the picture..


var is not going to be beneficial enough in this cycle.. i would save it for a cutting cycle

 

[tbonexl]

Forgot about an ai 3j...

 

[jackfowlerpt]

Npp is a shorter ester compound. As a kick starter, I would pin it eod not twice a week. Since you plan on using dbol too, how much of a kick start do you need?

#2 Everything shuts you down bud. That's why test is the base for every cycle.

#3/4? I don't see why you want to use so many orals during your cycle. Bad on the liver bud...

Now some questions for you...

Why only .50mgs of Aromasin? Usually 12.5mgs every day is a normal start. Why are you stopping test a week before deca in previous cycles? Wrong! You want to run test atleast a couple weeks longer then deca. Deca is a long ester and as mentioned above, everything shuts you down! Test is the base for every cycle. Why are you starting pct 10 days after last pin? Way too soon! Atleast 18-21 days if not longer. Sust has long long esters in it. Why start pct with elevated test levels? Not a good move.. Why aren't you running hcg from the beginning of your cycle up to pct???

It doesn't seem like you know all the ABC's of using gear. Lots of red flags in your post. Read this link bud...

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

How's that 3j??? lol

Thanks for the reply mate, ive got a few things muddled up, i dropped the deca a week before the test not the other way around because of the longer easter in the deca! Would running the dbol for the first 4 weeks then the var as a second oral for rest of cycle but not at the same time, as for the aromasin i was getting muddled up with adex i forgot to mention i ran on other 3rd corse, i ment 12.5mg EOD lol! As for the pct I just took advice from my source to wait 10 days after cycle but i will take your advise and wait much longer for this one, and for the HCG i was told you can run it throughout cycle but its not good to constantaintly send signals to your testies to start producing test to pin and tell them to stop, stop start stop start etc and also told of using hcg throughout corse it wpuldnt be as effective when you come to use in on PCT! Thank for the advise tho mate..

 

[bigben66]

You said in your initial post that you wanted to bulk... therefore you do NOT need Anavar!

HCG should be run from week 1 of cycle until 3 days before commencing PCT - not during PCT!

3J is correct... AAS is just the icing on the cake - your diet will dictate the success of the cycle...
I'd simplify your cycle rather than adding stuff you do not need.

I would also use a single estered Test over Sustanon every time - but if you've already got hold of it, then run it.
It's only complicating a cycle unnecessarily using a multiple estered form of Test.

BigBen

 

[3J]

You said in your initial post that you wanted to bulk... therefore you do NOT need Anavar!

HCG should be run from week 1 of cycle until 3 days before commencing PCT - not during PCT!

3J is correct... AAS is just the icing on the cake - your diet will dictate the success of the cycle...
I'd simplify your cycle rather than adding stuff you do not need.

I would also use a single estered Test over Sustanon every time - but if you've already got hold of it, then run it.
It's only complicating a cycle unnecessarily using a multiple estered form of Test.

BigBen

yup... ben is on point as usual

 

[jackfowlerpt]

You said in your initial post that you wanted to bulk... therefore you do NOT need Anavar!

HCG should be run from week 1 of cycle until 3 days before commencing PCT - not during PCT!

3J is correct... AAS is just the icing on the cake - your diet will dictate the success of the cycle...
I'd simplify your cycle rather than adding stuff you do not need.

I would also use a single estered Test over Sustanon every time - but if you've already got hold of it, then run it.
It's only complicating a cycle unnecessarily using a multiple estered form of Test.

BigBen

Right so drop the var and save that for summers cut, what iu per week should i run the hcg at throughout, and yes ive already purchesed the sus, how epuld you run the sus and deca then there bothed dosed at 250mg/ml would you run them 2x PW or EOD but EOD would be 750mg of deca per week isent that a little too high, could i run it like this:

Sus/deca every monday
just sus wednesdays
sus/deca friday

Week 1-14 and juat drop the deca on week 13!

Dbol 50mg week 1-4
12.5mg aromasin EOD
hcg and whatever iu per week throughout?

Thanks for all this lads massive help...

Jack

 

[3J]

Right so drop the var and save that for summers cut, what iu per week should i run the hcg at throughout, and yes ive already purchesed the sus, how epuld you run the sus and deca then there bothed dosed at 250mg/ml would you run them 2x PW or EOD but EOD would be 750mg of deca per week isent that a little too high, could i run it like this:

Sus/deca every monday
just sus wednesdays
sus/deca friday

Week 1-14 and juat drop the deca on week 13!

Dbol 50mg week 1-4
12.5mg aromasin EOD
hcg and whatever iu per week throughout?

Thanks for all this lads massive help...

Jack

so if its sust and deca you have the right setup.. drop deca week 13 you'll be fine..

hcg 250iu every 3.5 days

youre going to need more aromasin.. id run it ed and up it to 25mg ed when you see youre bloating too much..

run sust/deca monday and thursday.. every 3.5 days..

technically you should be running sust eod since there is prop in it.. but itll be fine..

dont forget about the prami.. or youre liable to get milk titties and deca dick from the high prog

 

[jackfowlerpt]

So sus/deca every mon/thursday 250mg of each so 500mg of each PW, for 14 weeks, drop the deca week 13!
250iu every 3.5 days
50mg dbol week 1-4
12.5mg of aromasin ED not EOD and the prami throughout!!
Any thing else atall you would do change? Thanks mate again... appriciate it.... jack

 

[bigben66]

So sus/deca every mon/thursday 250mg of each so 500mg of each PW, for 14 weeks, drop the deca week 13!
250iu every 3.5 days
50mg dbol week 1-4
12.5mg of aromasin ED not EOD and the prami throughout!!
Any thing else atall you would do change? Thanks mate again... appriciate it.... jack

Bang on... G2G
(although don't get Sustanon for future cycles!)

BTW: Some people might leave the Prami until you show signs - that's just down to the individual - there's no right or wrong way to do it - this is all about learning what works for you!

 

[jackfowlerpt]

So sus/deca every mon/thursday 250mg of each so 500mg of each PW, for 14 weeks, drop the deca week 13!
250iu every 3.5 days
50mg dbol week 1-4*
12.5mg of aromasin ED not EOD and the prami throughout!!*
Any thing else atall you would do change? Thanks mate again... appriciate it.... j

 

[jackfowlerpt]

Spot on lads helped me out loads! Thanks again ill let everyone know how i get on just out of intrest ill post my stats before and after cycle and some pics! Jack..

 

[tbonexl]

Don't forget about bloodwork before cycle, 6 weeks in, and 6-8 weeks after pct. Very important and often overlooked...