Cycle, mixing short with long esther and AI

[Frozenballs]

basicaly I have a few short questions.

I am thinking about running

500mg test e (1ml twice a week)
350ml tren a (1ml/eod)
50mg proviron/day

tren a 8 weeks test 10 or 12 weeks and adding proviron in the third or fourth week.

Now my question, are there any negative effects on running a long esther (test e) with a short one (tren a). Shall I start tren in lets say the second or third week so they roughly kick in at the same time or do I still get any benefits from the test e in the first few weeks although it hasnt really kicked in. I mainly wanna use test e for money purposes, Im a student and getting the same dose on test P is more than twice as expensive.

Will proviron do for Aromatase inhibitor (AI), as tren also dries out a bit. It also boosts the effect of test and helps my libido (have issues with this) So besides the anti oestrogen effect it has more benefits for me compared to ari for instance.

Also what will work better, doing bulk for 8-10 weeks then 2-4 weeks of keto diet or just clean bulk. I did like to drop from 8.2% to 6%.

stats

6''4
220lbs
8.2%

Thanks in advance

 

[halfwit]

1. There aren't any drawbacks to using a short ester with a long one.
2. Proviron is NOT a replacement for an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). It just happens to have an affinity for binding to androgen receptors over estrogen. You will still need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to prevent your body from making excess amounts of estradiol.
3. I'll leave the dieting plans to someone else. I'm of the opinion that you can eat clean and still put on quality mass while reducing body fat, but I've never achieved sub-8% body fat - which has its own set of challenges.

My .02c

 

[bigkit34]

No problem mixing esters but proviron aint gonna cut it drop that and add either adex or aromasin. Also grab some caber for the tren

 

[bigkit34]

Half beat me to it and went more in depth lol

 

[Frozenballs]

Never heard of caber? So prov wont be enough to keep the bloat away?

 

[halfwit]

Never heard of caber? So prov wont be enough to keep the bloat away?

Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist, and like an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is used to keep unwanted hormone levels from climbing. 19-nors like tren/deca can elevate progesterone and prolactin, causing nasty sides like a soft erection or even leaking nipples. No, proviron will not cut the mustard in this case and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is still needed. It's like guys that say all you need is a SERM on cycle for gyno - sure, you don't grow boobs, but what about that prostate health and blood pressure from all that estrogen running rampant?

 

[Nosy Parker]

basicaly I have a few short questions.


Also what will work better, doing bulk for 8-10 weeks then 2-4 weeks of keto diet or just clean bulk. I did like to drop from 8.2% to 6%.

stats

6''4
220lbs
8.2%

Thanks in advance

I'll take up where you left off halfwit

Alright well personally it seems to me you are missing the single most important aspect of a cycle....diet. The bottom line is that if you don't have your macros down then you shouldn't even consider AAS in any form. Calculate your macros, and then recalculate them with every 5lbs of weight change (this can be ignored in the beginning if you pack on a lot of water weight). I would go with a 10% to 20% increase in intake over TDEE, considering you are pharmaceutically enhanced at this point this will be a rather cautious approach and should yield lean gains.

If you are looking to trim off a little fat towards the end of the cycle 2 weeks is not likely to be worth your time. Also studies clearly show that it is the high protein aspect of a diet that retains muscle mass, there is no need for complete keto. Keep protein high and reduce carbs and fat. If you are set on cutting at the end of your cycle I would recommend a clean bulk for 8 weeks. Then drop your intake to your TDEE (making sure to calculate it for your current weight), and add Winstrol (winny) 25-50 mg ED for the remaining four weeks. This should lean you out a bit, thought keep in mind that you will likely gain fat during the first 8 weeks so your starting point for the cut will be higher than the 8% that you are currently.

Best,
Parker.

 

[Frozenballs]

yeah recently did keto diet and went from like 9 to 8% in a week while lowering my carbs and fat it took me like 3 weeks for 1%. If I run ari 0.5mg eod will that be enough as Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and wont I be needing caber or is that something totally different?

Maybe a bit weird but a friend of mine added ari on his test p cycle in like week 5 and he dropped like 1-2% in bf the next few week (not drying out/water retention, but actually dropped in fat) Does ari have any effect on lowering bodyfat.

 

[Nosy Parker]

yeah recently did keto diet and went from like 9 to 8% in a week while lowering my carbs and fat it took me like 3 weeks for 1%. If I run ari 0.5mg eod will that be enough as Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and wont I be needing caber or is that something totally different?

Maybe a bit weird but a friend of mine added ari on his test p cycle in like week 5 and he dropped like 1-2% in bf the next few week (not drying out/water retention, but actually dropped in fat) Does ari have any effect on lowering bodyfat.

Dosage is going to depend on what you are using for Aromatase inhibitor (AI), if the answer is Arimidex then yes that should be enough to start seeing that you are only running one substance that aromatizes. Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is separate from caber. Caber is Cabergoline, and is used to control prolactin when running tren and similarly derived substances. I would recommend Prami as it tends to be more effective than Caber. Also just drop the mesterolone (Proviron), it is pretty useless if you have proper Aromatase inhibitor (AI).

As for your friend, likely had an increase in test levels due to the reduction in oestrogen.

Parker.