Cycle Two: Get to Know Deca

[Shred2Live]

My first cycle was 500mg Test-e/wk for 12 weeks. I gained 20 pounds, from 220-240, I'm at about 232 after post cycle therapy (pct). Definitely gained some fat, too. Still trying to nail my diet...

So that first cycle was a beginning education on Test-e. Now I wanna get a feel for Deca. I'm especially interested in the collagen-building properties (37 years-old...joints are struggling). I also want to see what a DHT derivative does, so I'll introduce it later in the cycle, once the Deca has started to kick in. So here's the plan:

Weeks 1-14 Deca 500mg/week
Weeks 1-14 Test-e 200mg/week
Weeks 15-16 Test-p 225mg/week (75 mg 3x/wk)
Weeks 9-16 Masteron 300mg/week

Caber and Aromasin on hand. I'll run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) around 750iu/week, I guess. Or maybe 1000iu/week taking the 6th and 12th weeks off. I also have enough Test-e on hand that I can switch to 500mg Test-e/400mg Deca if I start getting libido issues, but I guess the Masteron will probably take care of that.

I'll start blasting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) week 16, run it through day 3 of week 17, then on week 18 start Clomid 50/50/50/50, Nolva 20/20/20/20. Maybe some aromasin in there.

That's the plan. Your comments are welcome.

 

[Zeek]

There are guys that can get away with running the deca higher than their test. I'm not one of those guys! at 500 deca and 200 test sex would be impossible for me.

 

[MeatHead96]

There are guys that can get away with running the deca higher than their test. I'm not one of those guys! at 500 deca and 200 test sex would be impossible for me.

I've never tried deca higher than test but would be very hesitant to do so. If I did I would run caber from the start and make sure estrogen was in check too. I have read that higher deca dose with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose test is best for collagen synthesis. I would be interested to see the results from this. I'm assuming the mast is short ester? If it was enth that would be too short to run it.

 

[Long_2010]

Looks like a really good cycle.

I've ran deca alot higher then test before and my first ever cycle was deca on its own, i know now it wasn't a good thing to do, but it really dosen't effect me at all. Out of everything i have tried so far deca has been my personal favorite.

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

why run the deca with a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose? That I do not understand. Run the test higher bro.

Weeks 1-16 deca 500mg/week
Weeks 1-16 test-e 700mg/week
Weeks 15-16 test-p 450mg/week (150 mg 3x/wk)
Weeks 9-16 Masteron (P or E?) 300mg/week

also there is no reason to leave a week out of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) here and there. What is the point of that

also I would start the aromasin first day and keep the caber on hand. And I would run the aromasin in pct...not maybe, more like will do it

if isnt broke then dont try and fix it

 

[Long_2010]

also I would start the aromasin first day and keep the caber on hand. And I would run the aromasin in pct...not maybe, more like will do it

if isnt broke then dont try and fix it

Yeah take your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) from the start pal. Don't risk getting gyno, its not nice having to take letro to get rid of it, its harsh stuff.

 

[ramaudio]

follow the advise... test higher than deca... I learned the hard... errrrr ... soft way... lol

 

[Georgia]

Yeah, I was about to say. My sex life is too important to be having Deca dick. I always heard to run at least 200-250mg LOWER than your Test injection (Deca).

I do not know from experience so my point is only from WOM.

 

[Long_2010]

My next cycle so far is going to be
test e 200-300mg
deca 600-800mg
masteron 400mg

Reason i have to run my test so low is i get gyno bad, last cycle i ran 500mg of test & 300mg of eq weekly while taking aromasin at 25mg daily and old gyno flared up real bad, so im forced to keep my test low from now on, which is a shame!

If you have done a cycle with your test at 500mg weekly prior and had no bad estrogen related sides then maybe stick to that dose and introduce deca to that and then you can compare your first cycle to your second.

 

[MeatHead96]

Check this out. It explains why one would run deca with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose test. Not saying it may not cause issues for many ppl. I can't say for myself because I havent done it.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...al-muscle-collagen-synthesis-certain-aas.html

 

[Zeek]

There are guys that can run deca very high with low test. It really depends on the person. I've tried it and it was bad news for me. Even when my deca is slightly lower than my test performance goes to shit in the bedroom. I need almost 2x the test dosage of my deca to kep things running smoothly.

 

[Long_2010]

Its amazing how one thing can effect someone and then someone else wont have any issues at all.

Untill things have been tryed and tested personally you really have no idea how your going to react to it.

 

[Long_2010]

Check this out. It explains why one would run deca with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose test. Not saying it may not cause issues for many ppl. I can't say for myself because I havent done it.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...al-muscle-collagen-synthesis-certain-aas.html

Thanks. Ill read this article later.

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

My next cycle so far is going to be
test e 200-300mg
deca 600-800mg
masteron 400mg

Reason i have to run my test so low is i get gyno bad, last cycle i ran 500mg of test & 300mg of eq weekly while taking aromasin at 25mg daily and old gyno flared up real bad, so im forced to keep my test low from now on, which is a shame!

If you have done a cycle with your test at 500mg weekly prior and had no bad estrogen related sides then maybe stick to that dose and introduce deca to that and then you can compare your first cycle to your second.

Deca usually causes more bloat then test bro....you might want to re think this cycle

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Ummmm,imo i would stick with Test higher than Deca,maybe run test 600mg and deca 400-500mg/week and let the deca do al the work,if aromasin isnt keeping your estrogen down,you might try arimidex or letro,aromasin doesnt knock you estrogen all the way down,only 60-80%,so that extra 20-40% thats left may be giving you the bloat and estrogen problems

But Deca will cause bloat as well,probably not as bad as test,but some,I also would use caber from the start and not take the chance,cause if you are having trouble keeping you estrogen under control,you most likely will have prolactin undused gyno,not saying that 100% but most likely

 

[Long_2010]

Deca usually causes more bloat then test bro....you might want to re think this cycle

Yeah i agree it has caused me to hold alot of water in the past, but i never ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) back then and as far as im aware i didnt get gyno from having my deca high either, it seems to be only test what causes that for me, i could be wrong though and maybe i just didnt notice it could have created gyno

thanks pal

 

[Shred2Live]

Thanks everybody. It seems like some people can run Deca higher than Test without problems and some can't. I want to know which one I am. If I start to have problems, I have enough test on hand that I can up it to a higher dose than the Deca.

But

I've heard a lot of people say Deca dick doesn't set in until about week 8, and that's when I start the Masteron, which is supposed to be great for libido. I don't know...a lot of good friendly warnings from bros, but I'm feeling kind of optimistic!

Anyway, this doesn't start until May. I'll keep you all posted. Thanks again for the feedback.

 

[Shred2Live]

As for the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I found during my first cycle that Aromasin crashes my E2 really fast. I had blood work done four times last cycle, and found my sweet spot at about 3.75mg/ed.

Does Deca aromatize? If not, then I'm only needing to control E2 aromatizing from 200mg Test-e/week. An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) might not even be necessary...? Anyway, I'll get blood work done on every week for the first few weeks and make sure I'm in the right place with Caber and Aromasin.

As for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) five weeks on, one week off, I read that in one of DET's posts. I'm not sure what the science was behind it. I guess to prevent downgrading? I'll probably just go with 750iu HCG/week through the whole cycle.

 

[3rdGroupSF]

Good thing I don't have a sex life.
Sucks having a girlfriend that is waiting for marriage to bone... <---is pissed.

 

[Georgia]

Good thing I don't have a sex life.
Sucks having a girlfriend that is waiting for marriage to bone... <---is pissed.

Is she a virgin? That's a gem to keep.