Cyp vs prop

[TR2838]

TEST is TEST is TEST !!!!!!

I read this all the time and I want to know if it is just parrots or actual truth..
If I took 50mgs of cyp EOD compared to 50mgs of Prop EOD, would it, should it produce the same results.. In paticular estrogen spikes, less or more with different esters..
Any Studies or solid personal experiences?

Thanks in advance

 

[A.B]

yes test is test. they kick in at different times. only thing from prop that you should experience different is pain if you shoot it straight. If i shoot straight prop in my quads i cant walk for a week. some say you dont gain as much water on prop, but its all in diet and an AI.

 

[cashout]

TEST is TEST is TEST !!!!!!

I read this all the time and I want to know if it is just parrots or actual truth..
If I took 50mgs of cyp EOD compared to 50mgs of Prop EOD, would it, should it produce the same results.. In paticular estrogen spikes, less or more with different esters..
Any Studies or solid personal experiences?

Thanks in advance

The effectual difference is negligible. The actual difference is in the atomic weight of the ester of each compound. For example, Ent. is an 8 chain carbon ester. That's very long carboxyl acid compared to Prop which is a 3 chain carbon ester.

So, why dose this matter? Well, in 100 mg of test prop there is actually about 74mg of test. The other 26 mg is the 3 carbon ester. 100 mg of Ent. is actually only 55 mg of test and the rest is the weight of the Ent. ester.

So the variation is a couple of mgs per cc.

Hope that helps.

 

[TR2838]

So, why dose this matter? Well, in 100 mg of test prop there is actually about 74mg of test. The other 26 mg is the 3 carbon ester. 100 mg of Ent. is actually only 55 mg of test and the rest is the weight of the Ent. ester.

So the variation is a couple of mgs per cc.


Thats very interesting Cashout.. I learn something new every time you post.. Do you know what the mgs to cc of test prop is?

 

[cashout]

So, why dose this matter? Well, in 100 mg of test prop there is actually about 74mg of test. The other 26 mg is the 3 carbon ester. 100 mg of Ent. is actually only 55 mg of test and the rest is the weight of the Ent. ester.

So the variation is a couple of mgs per cc.


Thats very interesting Cashout.. I learn something new every time you post.. Do you know what the mgs to cc of test prop is?

It's been about 20 years since I used Prop b/c it absolutely kills me (terrible reaction to the short chain ester) but I think most phram grade prop preparations are 100mg per ml (or cc).

 

[tuscans]

cashout,

was that a localized or systemic reaction that you had to the prop?

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

cashout is spot on.. as far as results go.. ppl think differently of the 2 because of there cycle lenghts.. typically cyp/ent is ran longer than prop.. for example
cyp 1-14
prop 1-8/10
that being said your going to hold more water from the longer cycle.. has nothing to do with the ester attached.. if you run cyp for 2yrs and prop for 2yrs.. results are identical.. Test is Test..

 

[cashout]

cashout,

was that a localized or systemic reaction that you had to the prop?

Localized - big red welt after about 2-3 hours warm to touch. 12 hours later, low grade fever and chills that lasted for the next 12 hours.

Happened every time I took a shot of prop. What sucked was I was using it 3 times a week to prep for a contest about 20 years ago. Over those 8 weeks my training suffered and I generally felt bad the entire contest prep.

 

[Tide14]

I actually feel better with Test Prop than Test Cyp in my experience with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with Maximus. I can't really tell you why but I have more energy and feel better overall. I suspect it has to do with the lower amortization due to the decreased half life of Prop. My Estrogen came back at 275 after several months of using Test Cyp. I haven't had bloodwork done since switching to Prop with overall I feel better.

I had a problem with lumps after Test Prop injections initially (guess I shouldn't though since Test is Test, right?) but now I mix the Prop with B12 and pay extra attention to making a good injection deep into the muscle and they are much better. I have a small painless bump that lasts a day or so. It doesn't bother me especially when I take into account the increase in mood an energy.

 

[TR2838]

I'm hoping I have the same results as you Tide13.. If I do have a bad reaction to it, can you explain in detail how to mix in the b12?

 

[Tide14]

I'm hoping I have the same results as you Tide13.. If I do have a bad reaction to it, can you explain in detail how to mix in the b12?

I fill a 3ml syringe with 1ml of test, then fill the syringe with air until the plunger is around the 2 1/2 ml mark. Stick it into the B12 and push the air in until the Test just reaches the needle then pull back filling the syringe until I hit the 2 1/2 ml mark again. That gives me 1ml of Test and 1.5ml of B12. Switch to a smaller needle, shake it up, and inject.

I used to fill to 3ml giving me 2ml of b12 until I pulled the plunger out the back once while I was aspirating. Wasted my test and B12 all over the bathroom floor. I don't notice a difference between 1.5 or 2ml of B12.