Dbol/Test Prop

I did a dbol cycle when I was 18.. 5 10" 165 pounds..took 4 a day till they were gone.. when they were gone I pissed it all out.

In retrospect I would not have done it..I would a went to medical school..haha..

Seriously how big you want to get ? Freakish ?

I mean it s cool but...but not me..anymore.

My avi is me..I m leaner due to a baaaad ass flu..but I m older..it ll be back.
I need food, rest, time and a lil gear...it s all you guy s need too.

A hard body with a good tan, abs and a hard cock that is my mission...now.

I ll never be HUGE AGAIN...217 shredded nicely was my best.my avi is like 204..I have no legs.
All the best.


Google Andreas Muenster ?? He was a biiiig ass german..now he s a dead ass german with a heart 160 percent of it s original size.
 
^^teutonic, you look fucking great man, if I can look like that at 46 i'll be happy. I'm with you on goals man, good tan, good abs pecker like stone and still bigger than 99.9% of guys out there. you still look plenty fuckin jacked in that picture.

Yea i remember munzer dying. That was when i was big into reading all those lame ass bb magazines. There were some others that kicked it around the same time from various electrolyte issues.

Professional bodybuilding is so unhealthy it really makes me sick. '

I just like feeling healthy man. Being able to move fast and do some cardio. The heavier i get the harder it is to do. I'm 260 now and can feel it when running. you transmit 3-5 times body weight through each extremity when running so gaining 10 pounds really translates to some significant changes in force.

good input teutonic
 
This is funny. You have done so much research on the effects AAS can have on young people but you didn't do any on how to do a proper cycle or post cycle therapy (pct). I call bullshit my friend. There is a ton of info on how to cycle and how to pct but you actually have to go look for the effects on young so it's hard to believe.

Also your research would have explained the many risks involved but hey who am I to judge but I won't offer advice to someone who has no business doing the shit and anyone who does is a fucking idiot. Just because your buddies tell you it's fine and you think jersey shore is cool shouldn't make you think it's ok to use a drug intended for adults.

But I can already tell you are a badass and will do what you want but I bet you will be back asking questions about why your dick won't work or someother bullshit. I'm not trying to flame but you seem to have an attitude when people are giving you the proper advice.
 
Teutonic said:
I did a dbol cycle when I was 18.. 5 10" 165 pounds..took 4 a day till they were gone.. when they were gone I pissed it all out.

In retrospect I would not have done it..I would a went to medical school..haha..

Seriously how big you want to get ? Freakish ?

I mean it s cool but...but not me..anymore.

My avi is me..I m leaner due to a baaaad ass flu..but I m older..it ll be back.
I need food, rest, time and a lil gear...it s all you guy s need too.

A hard body with a good tan, abs and a hard cock that is my mission...now.

I ll never be HUGE AGAIN...217 shredded nicely was my best.my avi is like 204..I have no legs.
All the best.


Google Andreas Muenster ?? He was a biiiig ass german..now he s a dead ass german with a heart 160 percent of it s original size.
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Great post bro!!! I love it when guys can come in with personal experience...

and at 46??? your my fuckin hero!! LADY KILLA :)
 
userat204 said:
this is funny. You have done so much research on the effects aas can have on young people but you didn't do any on how to do a proper cycle or post cycle therapy (pct). I call bullshit my friend. There is a ton of info on how to cycle and how to pct but you actually have to go look for the effects on young so it's hard to believe.

Also your research would have explained the many risks involved but hey who am i to judge but i won't offer advice to someone who has no business doing the shit and anyone who does is a fucking idiot. Just because your buddies tell you it's fine and you think jersey shore is cool shouldn't make you think it's ok to use a drug intended for adults.

But i can already tell you are a badass and will do what you want but i bet you will be back asking questions about why your dick won't work or someother bullshit. I'm not trying to flame but you seem to have an attitude when people are giving you the proper advice.
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......my boooiiii!!!! (stupid thing wont let me use caps wtf?)
 
UserAt204 said:
This is funny. You have done so much research on the effects AAS can have on young people but you didn't do any on how to do a proper cycle or post cycle therapy (pct). I call bullshit my friend. There is a ton of info on how to cycle and how to pct but you actually have to go look for the effects on young so it's hard to believe.

Also your research would have explained the many risks involved but hey who am I to judge but I won't offer advice to someone who has no business doing the shit and anyone who does is a fucking idiot. Just because your buddies tell you it's fine and you think jersey shore is cool shouldn't make you think it's ok to use a drug intended for adults.

But I can already tell you are a badass and will do what you want but I bet you will be back asking questions about why your dick won't work or someother bullshit. I'm not trying to flame but you seem to have an attitude when people are giving you the proper advice.
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Is this towards me>
 
Cobra Strike said:
im not bashing anyone here....but you guys need to stop giving out advice that is/can be damaging to people. I know you guys have read what can happen at a young age by taking aas right??? Please stop helping kids destroy their endocrine systems ok

regards
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I agree war is probably too young to be dabbling in aas, but he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And i'd rather he get good advice than none. I'm 34 and did my first cycle at 29, now that I look back, I know I should have waited, but no one was gonna change my mind. I've been there and understand the mentality. I always wished to turn pro, then the day came when I realized I didn't have the genetics to take it to that level. I competed in a few shows, 3 city shows, 2 state shows and never placed out of the top 3 but, never won either! Everyone has dreams, and I think we should all strive for them as long as in the process, you don't hurt yourself or others. Education is the key War, do what you are gonna do but, do it safely. Research the best you can and do things smart and who knows, maybe one day you will be on the Olympia stage, you never know till you try. But if the day comes you realize it's not in the cards for you, don't keep banging your head against that brick wall.
I've now come to realize my family and ecspecially my son is more important to me than any bbing trophy. So now I'm more focused on a healthy lifestyle and staying the best I can be. Sure, I still cycle. But much more moderately and much more healthy than I used to.
My frusta cycle was two sustonon a week for ten weeks and I gained 27 Lbs and thought for sure I was pro material, not realizing no other cycle was ever going to be that good, due to my virgin receptors. I kept 21 of those pounds and figured 4 or 5 more cycles and I'd be a pro, lol. Shame it doesn't work that way. Now I'm happy with a ten pound gain after a 12 week dbol, and test cycle, with a very good pct program. I watch my bp and cholesterol and watch my diet very close. A long healthy life is now a priority!
 
Not hatin bro just like people to know some potential issues


The Young and Steroids
The young and Steroids

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus300

There is much more info and many other reasons also.
 
WarD you will essentially make your own decision but atleast take the time to read about cycles and why they are used, meaning reason for the compounds, what types of common problems occur during cycles and how to combat them and how to run a pct and what each compound does. I think you will be surprised to find some of the things that can happen. Don't get me wrong I believe test is generally a safe compound but once the body has fully matured and ready for it. Test levels at your age are generally high already but put some time in finding out everything you can because people in the gym and friends in generall think they know about AAS a lot of times and really had no clue. I started at 25 or 26, can't remember, and I was given all kinds of horrible advice but I decided to check on my own before starting and found out my friends were idiots.
 
newgoal300 said:
I agree war is probably too young to be dabbling in aas, but he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And i'd rather he get good advice than none. I'm 34 and did my first cycle at 29, now that I look back, I know I should have waited, but no one was gonna change my mind. I've been there and understand the mentality. I always wished to turn pro, then the day came when I realized I didn't have the genetics to take it to that level. I competed in a few shows, 3 city shows, 2 state shows and never placed out of the top 3 but, never won either! Everyone has dreams, and I think we should all strive for them as long as in the process, you don't hurt yourself or others. Education is the key War, do what you are gonna do but, do it safely. Research the best you can and do things smart and who knows, maybe one day you will be on the Olympia stage, you never know till you try. But if the day comes you realize it's not in the cards for you, don't keep banging your head against that brick wall.
I've now come to realize my family and ecspecially my son is more important to me than any bbing trophy. So now I'm more focused on a healthy lifestyle and staying the best I can be. Sure, I still cycle. But much more moderately and much more healthy than I used to.
My frusta cycle was two sustonon a week for ten weeks and I gained 27 Lbs and thought for sure I was pro material, not realizing no other cycle was ever going to be that good, due to my virgin receptors. I kept 21 of those pounds and figured 4 or 5 more cycles and I'd be a pro, lol. Shame it doesn't work that way. Now I'm happy with a ten pound gain after a 12 week dbol, and test cycle, with a very good pct program. I watch my bp and cholesterol and watch my diet very close. A long healthy life is now a priority!
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Thanks for the good advice, thats what i plan on doing. Doing it as safely as possible. Its a shame that i feel like i shouldve said i was 24 and we wouldnt be having this conversation. I would have gotten my information after a few posts and been done with it. I am not some jack ass kid that picked up a magazine and decided to take steroids. I said i have been training for 4 years and by that i mean hard training. Ive been lifting since 7th grade. I have been the same hight for 2 years and am already pretty large for my hight. I am a college student who doesnt drink, doesnt eat out, and gets plenty of rest because I am serious about what i am doing and plan on making the most out of it. Point being; I feel like the are exceptions for everything
 
UserAt204 said:
WarD you will essentially make your own decision but atleast take the time to read about cycles and why they are used, meaning reason for the compounds, what types of common problems occur during cycles and how to combat them and how to run a pct and what each compound does. I think you will be surprised to find some of the things that can happen. Don't get me wrong I believe test is generally a safe compound but once the body has fully matured and ready for it. Test levels at your age are generally high already but put some time in finding out everything you can because people in the gym and friends in generall think they know about AAS a lot of times and really had no clue. I started at 25 or 26, can't remember, and I was given all kinds of horrible advice but I decided to check on my own before starting and found out my friends were idiots.
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Yes i have def learned that most people dont know what they are talking about when it comes to aas. Even some of these sites give bogus info. Thats why i came here
 
Ok. But you have to understand the amount of people who come here with no training experience and think AAS are the answer. So again you have to make that choice not us so take the advice for what it's worth and make an informed choice. I would tell you to wait but you have to make the choice for your reasons and if you choose to do so gather all the info you can first.
 
see war...now was that so hard??? lol

Thanks everyone for helping shed some light and hopefully influencing a young mans perspective on the dangers of aas at a young age! Great group of guys here
 
I have been looking through the diet section and havent exactly found what i want. Around how many calories should i be taking in and protein amount. My goal is 225lbs
 
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