Dbol/Test Prop

[WarDamn]

Hi, I am about to start a bdol/test prop cycle and am wondering about suggested dosages and postcycle. This is my second cycle; my first of which was a 8 week cycle of Test cyp @ 500mg ew. I heard the test prop is faster and better with bdol. I am 20 years old, 5'9", 220lbs, bench max 280, squat 450. I have been lifting for 4 years and lift 5 days a week, and do cardio 3+ days a week.

 

[Cobra Strike]

bro do you know that your test levels are already through the roof??? You dont need test or dbol...I would just eat a shit ton of food and keep doing what your doing...at those stats (not sure about bf%) you seem to be getting to a pretty good size as it is. There are so many risks involved at a young age...

best advice in the world bro...eat, train, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, sleep repeat

 

[WarDamn]

bro do you know that your test levels are already through the roof??? You dont need test or dbol...I would just eat a shit ton of food and keep doing what your doing...at those stats (not sure about bf%) you seem to be getting to a pretty good size as it is. There are so many risks involved at a young age...

best advice in the world bro...eat, train, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, sleep repeat

lol saw that coming...

 

[USAF]

lol saw that coming...

You'll get great results from that cycle bro.

If you are dead set on it, do it. No one here can stop you. Hell, im only 21 and I am almost done with a test prop and dbol cycle and have seen awesome results.

Dbol - 50mg/ ED

Prop - 150mg/ EOD

 

[WarDamn]

You'll get great results from that cycle bro.

If you are dead set on it, do it. No one here can stop you. Hell, im only 21 and I am almost done with a test prop and dbol cycle and have seen awesome results.

Dbol - 50mg/ ED

Prop - 150mg/ EOD

Thanks for the advice, what post cycle will you run and when do you plan on starting it?

 

[Juicer2222]

ur stats r almost exact same as mine. ur actually a few pounds heavier, but what bf %? im around 12.

im gonna be starting my next cycle soon and ill be doing 30mg dbol ed and 150mg prop eod.

for post cycle, just look at the pct thread, lays it out pretty clear. its like nolva 20mg ed for 4-5 weeks and clomid 50mg ed for 3-4 weeks. and im not possitive when u would start the post cycle therapy (pct). i think about 3-4 days after last shot with that short ester, someone else should correct me on that for sure.

how long u running the cycle for?

 

[Cobra Strike]

im not bashing anyone here....but you guys need to stop giving out advice that is/can be damaging to people. I know you guys have read what can happen at a young age by taking aas right??? Please stop helping kids destroy their endocrine systems ok

regards

 

[WarDamn]

ur stats r almost exact same as mine. ur actually a few pounds heavier, but what bf %? im around 12.

im gonna be starting my next cycle soon and ill be doing 30mg dbol ed and 150mg prop eod.

for post cycle, just look at the pct thread, lays it out pretty clear. its like nolva 20mg ed for 4-5 weeks and clomid 50mg ed for 3-4 weeks. and im not possitive when u would start the post cycle therapy (pct). i think about 3-4 days after last shot with that short ester, someone else should correct me on that for sure.

how long u running the cycle for?

Ya i am aprox 12-13% I was planning on running it for 5 weeks. You think this is too short? My understanding was that you dont have to run prop as long as others. Also what gauge needle are you using? I hear that prop hurts a little more than cyp

 

[WarDamn]

im not bashing anyone here....but you guys need to stop giving out advice that is/can be damaging to people. I know you guys have read what can happen at a young age by taking aas right??? Please stop helping kids destroy their endocrine systems ok

regards

I appreciate the concern. I have thoroughly read the POSSIBLE bad effects of aas on young adults; but judging by your genuine concern of our health, I would think you would at least want us to do it correctly to minimize these risks.

 

[Juicer2222]

im 20, and i choose to juice for my own reasons. i definately know its not very healthy. but i choose to do it, so i look up information to do it the safest/smartest way possible. im helping wardamn do the same because he has decided to juice for whatever reason also.

even tho i did it, i would never advice a young person to juice just because they want to look good or get bigger or whatever reason. im hoping to be mr. o someday, and i know in order to do that, i will end up destroying my body. i realize this. thats the truth. u completly eff up ur body. so these guy at the gym that r my age and asking me for juice, i say no that shit is stupid. u dont need it, u got crazy natural levels.

but if someone is doing it, i'll try to give good advice, #1 being dont do it, #2 being if ur going to, atleast know how.

so wardamn, u can do a 5 week cycle, but its gonna go quick. u r gonna want to stay on after 5 weeks lol, i would suggest 4-6 weeks of dbol and test, and then just keep running the test for 10 weeks total. u'll see more gains, and hopefully retain more gains also. and of course, proper pct afterwards.

 

[nate212]

^^juicer, i hear where you are coming from i dont agree with it or understand it but whatever.

If that is the case why do you even cycle? just run full time.

I just can't see anything being worth accepting the damage you will do to your body running the amt of gear necessary to compete professionally.

 

[nate212]

Do this for me, look up Mike Matrazzeo (spelling?) a body builder from the 90's. He was in the magazines when I started lifting. He has had a couple heart surgeries now and is generally shitty and only in early 40's. Look at some of they guys that were big 15 years ago and see where they are at now.

 

[Cobra Strike]

^^juicer, i hear where you are coming from i dont agree with it or understand it but whatever.

If that is the case why do you even cycle? just run full time.

I just can't see anything being worth accepting the damage you will do to your body running the amt of gear necessary to compete professionally.

Some people just dont have enough respect for themselves nate. We see it everyday...not only on ology but also in our profession. If you cant respect yourself then how can you respect others? Its all about longevity....to die young is just stupid and I REFUSE to ever help a kid destroy his endo system wether he says he is doing it or not. If he wants to do it then he can find another way to learn how...im not buying my kids crack just because they say...daddy buy me some crack or I will just get it from steve. Ludacris!!!

 

[nate212]

^Yea i dont get it man. Seeing some of the guys I though were fuckin jacked up and looked good back in like 93' and now looking like shit with a fuckin pacer in really blows. The whole reason i got into lifting in first place was to be3 healthy and look good, doing steroids really starts to fuck up the healthy part. Having said that, i do think you can be reasonable with useage, push gains further but not totally fuck yourself up. Diet plays big role there too.

I know that at 20 it is real hard to see further than next week, but i remember 20 like it was fuckin yesterday man, goes by real fast. I still like living and living good and want to look good for alot of more years.

Cobra you are fuckin jacked!!

 

[Cobra Strike]

^Yea i dont get it man. Seeing some of the guys I though were fuckin jacked up and looked good back in like 93' and now looking like shit with a fuckin pacer in really blows. The whole reason i got into lifting in first place was to be3 healthy and look good, doing steroids really starts to fuck up the healthy part. Having said that, i do think you can be reasonable with useage, push gains further but not totally fuck yourself up. Diet plays big role there too.

I know that at 20 it is real hard to see further than next week, but i remember 20 like it was fuckin yesterday man, goes by real fast. I still like living and living good and want to look good for alot of more years.

Cobra you are fuckin jacked!!

It is crazy to see the guys you grew up watching in the body biulding world when they are looking more healthy than an ox and then you grow up ,and so do they, and they have multiple heart problems and all kinds of other issues. But this is a necessary evil to remind us that what we are doing has its risks if abused. Keeps me humble and very appreciative of what I have and I want to look and feel great when im 50.,.60..and so on

and nate you are doing very well my friend...great role model!

 

[WarDamn]

it's kind of hard to respect a grown man with a pair of tits as a profile picture

 

[nate212]

it's kind of hard to respect a grown man with a pair of tits as a profile picture

What!!!!! are you talking about my tits? oohhhhhh maybe you are talking about cobras tits.

For the record they are great. did you know they are from a 20 year old. For me that increases the respect by many fold

if you were talking about my tits i am hurt

 

[WarDamn]

What!!!!! are you talking about my tits? oohhhhhh maybe you are talking about cobras tits.

For the record they are great. did you know they are from a 20 year old. For me that increases the respect by many fold

if you were talking about my tits i am hurt

lol not you. and thanks for taking the "these are the reasons why" approach instead of "you are too young so i am going to give you no advice." And why does everyone think it is IMPOSSIBLE for a person around 20 to do a proper cycle?

 

[Cobra Strike]

lol not you. and thanks for taking the "these are the reasons why" approach instead of "you are too young so i am going to give you no advice." And why does everyone think it is IMPOSSIBLE for a person around 20 to do a proper cycle?

No one said its impossible for a youngin to run a proper cycle...we are saying that its bad news!

and seriously...you have a problem with tits??? I mean bro are you fuckin gay?? one effect that aas will have on you later in life, because of your early usage, will be the lack of interest in tits...because your dick wont work with out cialis...there are a million reasons why not to take aas until mid twenties...do one search on this site or a google search and you will find tons. Another problem with being young and trying to do aas is that your not doing your own research and just expecting to be spoon fed...just like your question...that question I could answer with simple searches...

I could go on and on about the fucked up aspects of what your venturing to do but at this point whats the point?? You are thick headed and only listen to what you want so rip it up kid...I will be seeing you at your house in about 10 or so years when you dial 911 and my big ass comes walking through the door with a defib saying I told you so

 

[nate212]

Ok i feel better, you gotta know though cobras tits are nice.

I think what you hear from cobra and others is just some experience with fucking up and knowing what it feels like to be 20. I fucked up with drugs (not aas) then and am still paying for it almost 15 years later.

It is just hard to understand the consequences with limited experience.

I think you just have to watch the attitude of fuck it, i'm going to do it and who gives a shit about the problems that will pop up.

We all have to pay the piper at some point.

I started lifting hard at 15 years old which was 1991 or 1992, kept making good gains up until about 22 at which point they really started to plateau off. I think that is the earliest I would have done aas in retrospect. I'm on first cycle now at 34 and am pleased with the results i made naturally.

Just know what the consequences are and dont have fuck it attitude. man thats one of the problems with youth is the inability to learn from others mistakes.