Deca and Test: First cycle Dosage help!
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Megatron28
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How old are you? Body fat %? Years training? How many calories do you eat daily?
3J
Super Moderator
i can put 2lbs a week on you naturally bro.. why would you use steroids.. youre horribly underweight.. your nutrition is obviously poor..
doing a cycle isnt' going to help you gain muscle and keep it. because thats predicated on your diet not drugs.. you cant magically add muscle with a cycle.. you have to eat.. and thats something you havn't been doing..
instead of spending money on gear.. spend that money on a professional that can set up your diet.
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doing a cycle isnt' going to help you gain muscle and keep it. because thats predicated on your diet not drugs.. you cant magically add muscle with a cycle.. you have to eat.. and thats something you havn't been doing..
instead of spending money on gear.. spend that money on a professional that can set up your diet.
check me out
3J's Nutrition | Diet and fitness consulting to get you to the next level.
Wow, thanks for the motivation guys. Rip me to shreds, go ahead.
My nutrition is not terrible, I'm a choreographer and eat very well. ALL the time. I have horrendously fast metabolism.
I was sick in 2013 and got down to 139lbs. I've gained 23lbs naturally by eating a lot, the most I can consume without vomiting. Using protein, mass gainer, hard work outs, lots of sleep and plenty of food. I've plateud and can't gain anything else hence the choice to do this.
I did steroids 6 years ago and gained 35lbs in 8 weeks and managed to keep 20lb of that on after I lost all the water weight. That was deca/sus/winstrol/tren. I don't want to do this combination again.
Appreciate everyone's discust by how severely underweight I am and how 'malnourished' I am. If no one can give me any advise I actually asked for I guess I'll have to ask elsewhere!
Cheers for the motivation peeps. Feeling great!!
tury694
Pale Gorilla
Dude not trying to bash, but you wanted our opinion. You obviously did not keep gains from your first cycle. 161 is extremely light even for a person with a fast metabolism. You can gain more than 161, this I am sure of it. List your trading and diet. What is your bf%?
seeking advice...? Sometimes the advice you NEED is not the advice you WANT to hear. It's likely you are not old enough/wise enough to listen to rock solid professionals like 3J. I've worked with him, he's a rock solid professional. The guys here are just trying to steer a brother in the right direction. Keep searching and I'm sure you will get the response you want. Or.... Listen to professionals that have advised you and spend your $ with them. You'll thank yourself later. Trust me on this one.
cybrsage
New member
I know the guys here can be harsh, but understand it is tough love - they REALLY want you to succeed! Everything they tell you to do is with your best interest in mind, so take it that way.
I would spend the cycle money on 3J instead, he is great.
I know the guys here can be harsh, but understand it is tough love - they REALLY want you to succeed! Everything they tell you to do is with your best interest in mind, so take it that way.
I would spend the cycle money on 3J instead, he is great.
Appreciate the tough love.
I'm 35 years old and very capable of making decisions.
3J whomever that is said I'm 'horribly underweight' which I'm not, 'my nutrition is obviously poor' which it isn't. A very sweeping statement for a 'professional' to make.
My doctors said I'm not underweight anymore. My nutrition is excellent.
What I asked for was a recommended dosage for deca and test cycle. That's what I asked for. No one has answered that even remotely. Making me feel shitty and everyone else's other opinions seemed to take precedence.
I thought a forum like this would be non judgemental. Ha! What a laugh.
I guess I'll have to ask a friend at the gym!!!
Thanks for the tough love!!!
Cheers
halfwit
I like turtles.
You ARE underweight. How about you put away your ego and listen to what you're being told? The title of this thread says first cycle too; so which is it? A second cycle after a *miracle* cycle that put 20lbs on you in 8 weeks of muscle, or truly your first cycle? 3J is absolutely one of the best nutritionists in the business, I wouldn't take his advice lightly.
Not a single person judged you or said anything remotely negative. You simply need to master your diet before you go and start changing your hormone profiles. It takes a strong man to admit when he's wrong and listen to others. I live by the adage that the day you stop learning is the day you stop living. Might want to think about that a little bit before getting all defensive and act like the 35 year old you claim to be.
My .02c
SJC
I am banned!
Not only are you skinny but you're a liar. Your title says first cycle
Milton
Administrator
the proof is in the pudding, show us a pic of you.
tury694
Pale Gorilla
People hate to hear the truth, even when it's an attempt to help them.
Roush
I am banned!
I was skinny when I did my first cycle.. I don't get the get big first theory,, especially for older guys..
I can see a younger 25 year old being skinny and having plenty of time to get bigger naturally before using gear, , but it wasn't happening for me, at 35 it's all down hill, it's hard to gain mass naturally when at that age your body is now starting to loose muscle..
I was 5'10" and 147 lbs when starting trt then my first cycle -- now I'm hoping to be at 200+ pounds the end of my next cycle,, that's over 1/3 my original body weight in gain.
I started skinny-- gear helped me IMO **
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**One of the big reasons I struggled to gain weight naturally was prob because before I got on trt my testosterone levels were 166 ngnl
I can see a younger 25 year old being skinny and having plenty of time to get bigger naturally before using gear, , but it wasn't happening for me, at 35 it's all down hill, it's hard to gain mass naturally when at that age your body is now starting to loose muscle..
I was 5'10" and 147 lbs when starting trt then my first cycle -- now I'm hoping to be at 200+ pounds the end of my next cycle,, that's over 1/3 my original body weight in gain.
I started skinny-- gear helped me IMO **
View attachment 560393
**One of the big reasons I struggled to gain weight naturally was prob because before I got on trt my testosterone levels were 166 ngnl
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oldmusclemike
Well-known member
You are on a pity party. AS was said the advise on here is solid with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism until you get argumentative and need to hear JUST what you want. Q's or not we look at the big picture, where you been and where and how to move with what you have now.
First for the best advise we need all your stats, age and how long you have ben training, what level, calories a day and on.
Let your ego go and talk straight as we are talking to you. Let us know now if you are serious and want our help. I've been around a long time bud
First for the best advise we need all your stats, age and how long you have ben training, what level, calories a day and on.
Let your ego go and talk straight as we are talking to you. Let us know now if you are serious and want our help. I've been around a long time bud
Thanks buddy. Encouraging! That's a massive gain.***128077;
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