delayed superdrol gyno and how to prevent it

[arnyswole33]

Can someone help me understand how this can occur? Ive been reading and it seems like superdrol suppresses estrogen and in most cases an ai was used making the chances of a gyno flare up months later even greater? From your guys experiences what would be a proper pct to ensure this doesnt happen?

 

[clman8585]

Maybe staying on low dose nolva for a few weeks longer than usual

 

[SJC]

First, to be clear. You aren't planning on running superdrol without Test are you?

Second, in no way shape or form is superdol an AI. So you there isnt any confusion it IS NOT AN AI!

Third, superdrol is to be added to a Test base cycle. So the PCT would be the same as if no superdrol were used at all.

 

[halfwit]

Superdrol is double methlyated masteron in oral form. I want to know how you got gyno from a compound that doesn't aromatize...

 

[SJC]

Superdrol is double methlyated masteron in oral form. I want to know how you got gyno from a compound that doesn't aromatize...

I thought it didn't but I figured I'd leave that out in case it did.

 

[clman8585]

Superdrol is double methlyated masteron in oral form. I want to know how you got gyno from a compound that doesn't aromatize...

I got gyno from it. I ran it without test yeara ago.

 

[jolter604]

It must have To do with progesterone? That's a question because I want to add it to a cycle

 

[halfwit]

I got gyno from it. I ran it without test yeara ago.

You probably had something else going on too. That, or you had one of the old school mixes that had more than just methyldrostanolone in it.

I do know that some guys which are really sensitive to estradiol *can* have issues with DHT derivatives as they really reduce SHBG, which can free up estradiol too. It's fairly uncommon to get gyno from this, as most of them already have gyno from puberty. I have a friend that has pubertal gyno, and DHT compounds do cause it to flare up, even though they don't convert to estradiol. I suppose that would be the exception to the rule.

I think that's your case clman, as you take nolva on cycle, don't you?

It must have To do with progesterone? That's a question because I want to add it to a cycle

Superdrol isn't a progestin, contrary to what many think. Methylated tren and a few others that were really popular around the time that SD was available OTC were though - which may have lead to this conclusion?

 

[clman8585]

Sorry it was beastdrol. Just used nolva as pct back then. Years ago when i experimented with ph just getting into the game.

 

[halfwit]

Sorry it was beastdrol. Just used nolva as pct back then. Years ago when i experimented with ph just getting into the game.

Ahhh. I thought beastdrol was just superdrol under a new name? Although, I remember some extra stuff tossed in. Maybe just one of the unlucky few.

 

[arnyswole33]

delayed gyno from superdrol

Alright so ive ordered genezas superdrol and i am thrilled to try it. The catch is all these delayed gyno reports claiming it has progesterone activity or that it suppresses your estrogen production so you get a rebound effect when you come off. Theres alot of conflicting info on it but in my theory i feel like running test with it would help with the lack of estrogen? Am i right? Also running clomid instead of nolva during pct seems to be the better choice. What do you guys think?? Btw the superdrol was cheap so its not a huge deal if i decide not to run with it.

 

[Megatron28]

Alright so ive ordered genezas superdrol and i am thrilled to try it. The catch is all these delayed gyno reports claiming it has progesterone activity or that it suppresses your estrogen production so you get a rebound effect when you come off. Theres alot of conflicting info on it but in my theory i feel like running test with it would help with the lack of estrogen? Am i right? Also running clomid instead of nolva during pct seems to be the better choice. What do you guys think?? Btw the superdrol was cheap so its not a huge deal if i decide not to run with it.

I merged this thread with your previous one one the same topic. This may help refresh your memory on the subject.

 

[arnyswole33]

Yeah i remember one guy saying he extended his nolva to 6 weeks instead of 4 and it worked for him but then some people say nolva is the reason for the delayed gyno.

 

[arnyswole33]

Have you actually used superdrol before? I never said anything about an ai because i dont think it will be needed on a cycle like this, but i do have some aromasin on hand just in case. I do plan on running it with test because in theory i feel like the estrogen from the test will prevent a total shutdown of estrogen production ultimatley leading to a rebound effect once the superdrol is discontinued. Now this is just a theory. I wanna know what you guys think is the best way to go about this.

 

[arnyswole33]

Oh dang thats my bad i thought that last post i put up about superdrol never got posted. Otherwise i wouldve responded to it instead of making a new one.

 

[arnyswole33]

I know it sounds absolutley absurd but there are multiple cases of rebound gyno after pct with superdrol. I didnt say i got gyno. I havent even started the superdrol yet. I dont think the gyno issue is occuring on cycle. I think the majority of them are getting it after pct which is weird.

 

[halfwit]

Yeah i remember one guy saying he extended his nolva to 6 weeks instead of 4 and it worked for him but then some people say nolva is the reason for the delayed gyno.

1. Yes, you run test with EVERY cycle. It's ESSENTIAL to how the male body operates.
2. Superdrol causing gyno is a rare case as mentioned above. Usually the folks that notice gyno from it already had it - just small nodules that they developed in puberty. The abundance of free estradiol just wakes them up essentially.
3. This is why an AI is essential. You can run a SERM too if you know you need to, and I would look into raloxifene for that task. Others that have actual experience combating gyno might chime in and provide more advice though.
4. It's clomid AND nolva for PCT. I'm getting the feeling that you haven't read the FAQ, which is REALLY helpful; I strongly advise you do so, as it may answer even more questions that you have.

Edit: Gynecomastia formation post PCT is usually when folks don't manage their estradiol on cycle well, and see a rebound effect where their ratio of T:E is borked, causing breast tissue formation. There are other possibilities, but this is probably the most common.

 

[arnyswole33]

When did the gyno occur? During cycle, pct, or after pct??

 

[arnyswole33]

I have no idea to be honest. The general consensus ive seen is that your estrogen is so suppressed by the superdrol that when you come off it leads to a huge estrogen rebound. I have heard theorys about it having slight progesterone activity too though. Like i said i feel like adding testosterone as your base will put a healthy amount of estrogen in the body, but thats just a theory and real world results will only tell.

 

[halfwit]

When did the gyno occur? During cycle, pct, or after pct??

It can happen at any time where estradiol is high enough to trigger the growth. It's different for everyone, and while some guys that are sensitive to estradiol get it much easier - others may never get it. Just a matter of meeting those criteria.

Keeping tabs on your estradiol during a cycle will be your best insurance for this. If it's high, increase your AI. If you're sensitive to estradiol (terrible acne in teen years is one indicator), use exemestane for such.

Edit: Arnyswole, SD does not block estradiol. It binds to SHBG, which frees it to circulate in your blood stream. The "anti-estrogen" effects are related to it binding (like all DHT derivatives) to the AR over estradiol - this just reduces some sides, like subq water retention to a degree.