Depo, Deca and HGH

[SlimShady403]

Beginner Cycle #1 - Help Requested

I'm new to this board... so be patient.

My height is 6'2" Weight: 140
Age: 23 (24 in Nov)

Problem: I've always been thin. Now that I party in California a lot, I feel self conscious at the beach - I never take off my shirt and I'm scared to approach a potential sex partner because I've been asked a few times if I have AIDS/ HIV based on my weight (or lack thereof).

Now that I can afford it, I've decided to try the HGH & Testosterone products offered online at various rejuvenation centers. I prefer to do it that way, because they say it comes from licensed US pharmacies and US doctor prescriptions.

My question...

*** Is this a good start?

12 wk cycle of Depo Testosterone
12 wks of Deca Durabolin
(Maybe) a month of HGH at some point in my treatment.
HCG

*** If I do this cycle, what can I expect in terms of weight gain? My ultimate goal is 180.

Along with this cycle, I'll be going to the gym for a couple hrs per day, no cardio and eating like crazy... even though I'm sure I'll just pass the food right on through as usual if I eat more than usual.

*** If that doesn't sound like a good plan, please advise on a plan that will definately pack on pounds.

No matter what, I'll continue the Depo Test. treatment for a year.

 

[BiggieSwolls]

Hmmm, this is tough because I can see that you want to put the weight on bad but over extending yourself with all those drugs for your first cycle is not what many will recommend you do.

GH is more of a drug that would be taking after one has completed a couple cycles at least. Your not going to find anyone recommending it for a first cycle because you want to learn and find out what anabolic steroids will do for yo first. Throwing in GH may sound like it will help put some weight on but being that this is a first cycle, its not needed. Its an advanced bb'er compound. Secondly I noticed that you said you woudl only use the Gh for a month, please dont do that. In the opinion of many, GH needs to be taken for at least 3 months before its real benefits to bb'ers are shown.

Heres a first cycle that I would do if I was in your exact situation:

10 Weeks
Testosterone -- 500 mg/wk
Deca -- 300 mg/wk
Post Cycle Therapy starting about 17 days after your last shot.

Now this is somewhat against what I would recommend to someone for their first cycle. I usually would just recommend Test at 400-500 mg/wk. But you seem a little extreme, 6'2" 140 is a person with a real crazy fast metabolism and I have known people like this and it is so hard to put on the weight. One friend of mine was like this, 6'5" 145, couldnt put on weight to save his life, he had been working out for awhile and wanted to try something, I told him 500 mg of Test per week for 10 weeks. He tried it and gained 10 pounds but it wasnt what he was looking for in a first cycle. So given how I know how that cycle turned out for my buddy who is similiar to you in stats and seeing that you definitely want more then 10 pounds, I have added in the Deca but at a fairly reasonable dose.

Hopefully this would yield you more then 10 pounds but its all about training and eating my man. As much as everyone likes to think that the drugs will make them a monster overnight, they wont. Drugs are a complement. Without the proper training and eating habits, you wont grow no matter what you do. Well, you may grow but your muscles wont and your gut will.

I like to give many the benfit of the doubt when they come here and ask questions about first cycles. I usually assume that they have been working out for at least 6 months to a year and have their training routine down pat. As far as the eating, for you, just eat anything and everything. Sure, some people might jump on me for saying that as it could look like Im telling you to eat bad foods but the bottom line is that you need to slow down your metabolism a little. Thats one of the first things we would want to do and by eating massive meals and timing them out right, you can slow down your metabolism manually and then that would help to conserve some calories for the growing process. The only real rule for your diet is that you eat at least 40-60 grams of protein each meal. You can work on eating clean once you start to put on some more weight and your metabolism has slowed. For now, the goal is weight and you need it.

 

[Jawbone]

usually for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) it is either depo or deca not both. Furthermore, dont expect too much of a gain at the doses they prescribe. Please send me a PM of your clinic if you would like so I can check their protocol and maybe be more helpful.

 

[elijah_123]

If you are going to run it that long get some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and skip the GH. If you have the cash and are desperate adding some IGF-1r would help too, however I am with biggie that you should try and do it a little slower. Shoot for a good 20-25 keepable pounds for 12 weeks then recover and take some time off then hit it again.

 

[Rocket Man]

Well, I have to agree with BiggieS. You are talking about 40 pounds you know that's not going to happen over night. So start off light because you're going to be doing more than a couple of cycles. I think 400mgs of test (for first cycle) is good enough to grow but I think in your case what BiggieS. said will help you in your quest for size!!!

 

[SlimShady403]

Well, how many cycles are we talking about? If I grow 20 pounds in cycle #1, can I expect the same amount of growth in cycle #2?

I know after cycle 1, I will lose a few of the pounds I gained.

Also, with these rejuvenation centers - are there any that give the patient a paper Rx (prescription) so I can have it filled at my own pharmacy? Or are all those places just making more money by contracting with their own pharmacies?

Which online rejuvenation clinics offer the best service? I know on Anabolics.com, they have a page with lots of rejuvenation clinic listings - do we have a list like that over here on Steroidology?

I don't have access to Anabolic.com's site, so I haven't seen the listings.

 

[BiggieSwolls]

Asking if you will gain the same amount on your second cycle as you did your first cycle is very generic and is very tough to give an accurate answer to over the net being that we all dont know you. Is your training better the second time around? Is your diet better the second time around? Are you getting enough rest for your muscles to grow this second time around? Are you consuming more or less calories the second time around and what is the protein intake like? Is the amount of gear your using the same as the first cycle? Being that some of those answers wont even be found out until the second cycle starts, its almost impossible to answer a question like that.

Can you please explain more about these rejuvination centers? I personally dont know what your talking about or maybe I do but you are giving it a different name. But what strikes me is that you are only 23 and are talking about a rejuvination clinic. Are your natural Test levels low or something? As best of my knowledge, you are only going to get a legitimate long-term script for Test and be able to fill it at a pharmacy if your Doctor has deemed you to have naturally low test levels that is not consistent with someone your age or if you have AIDS or some type of other muscle wasting disease. Then of course there is the other way which would mean your Doctor is a little shady and is prescribing them to you because of some type of relationship you have with him/her, not because you medically need it.

 

[SlimShady403]

When I say Rejuvenation Centers, I mean places like ...

http://www.testosteronetherapy.tv/

http://www.pbr-anti-aging-humangrowthhormone.com/

http://www.prescriptionhgh.com

http://www.ghsales.com/ghsales2/index.html


http://www.nexostherapeuticals.com/productcart/pc/vc_men_test.asp?idCategory=129

These places, I call Rejuvenation Centers... is there a more appropriate name for them...?

 

[BiggieSwolls]

I only looked at one but from what I can see, they still need to write you the script for it and if you dont fit the bill as far as medically needing the Test, I dont see how they are legally going to give you a script. Then if it is illegal, there is really no point to it because you could get Test through the black market for a fraction of the cost.

 

[BiggieSwolls]

Secondly, look at Jawbones post. He is correct, even if you had naturally low test levels and obtained a script for Test by way of Hormone Replacement Therapy, the dosages they prescribe for you are roughly 200 mg per every two weeks.

 

[SlimShady403]

Somehow, I figured (thought) getting the stuff on the black market was much more expensive than if by prescription - look at it this way, people would pay because they couldn't get it any other way.

The places on the sites require a blood test to determine low test levels before prescribing, but they don't send you the prescription - they send you the meds and syringes from their own pharmacy. 95% of their patients are hormone deficient, one place told me.. so he said, don't worry - you'll be approved.

 

[SlimShady403]

FYI: I've spoken to a guy at one of those places and he said there's a package with the products I want for a "lower" price.

It consists of:

Depo-Test 200mg/wk x 10 weeks
Deca (Nandrolone Decanate) 200mg/wk x 10 weeks
HCG (Nov)

Price: $1,890
***This price includes the $75 prescription fee, per product and $395 testing fee (blood work). He says 99% of the customers who take their blood tests are approved for testosterone/ HGH replacement therapy.

Also, he said I need to start off slow. I told him I have credible advise on what to take, so he says, "there's nothing wrong with what I'm going to take, but just take the 200mg/wk rather than 500mg/wk - this gives the body time to adjust.

I still agree with BiggieS - 500mg/wk is the way to go.

***Remember I'm 6'2 and (right at) 140#. I told him my goals are getting up to 180 (a gain of 40 pounds), he sat there and promised that at 200mg/wk x 10wk of Depo, Deca and moderate excercise, I would weigh 40 pounds in 4 to 5 months.

Someone, please tell me these aren't typical results.

 

[TheStromba]

I also get from an anti aging clinic. You can ask for much better prices than that. It IS much more expensive than black market, but the compounds are good, there are NO legal issues involved.

You should have your blood work done, it should really cost no more than 200.00.

The 75.00 script fee is standard.

 

[SlimShady403]

Clinic Related Suggestions...? Which clinic is good?

 

[HGH Man]

At 6' 2" and weighing $1.40 I think your to thin to bulk up to 180 but all things are possible. If it's your first cycle then forget it. I'm on HGH and did cycles before and I say ,no way. If your partying (California style) then maybe the Betty Ford clinic is a good place to start.

 

[SlimShady403]

Woah, what a low blow... I've never used drugs in my life. I think Betty Ford clinic is for drug addicts.

Like I said, no drugs, disease free.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I've pretty much given up on telling you to wait. So why do you insist on getting your gear through a online pharmacy. 1,890 for a 10 week cycle. Come on dude. What you posted

200mg / week Depo Test for 10 weeks
200mg / week deca for 10 weeks

Buy this through a solid source and your talking about $175.00 with shipping and handling and WU fees. Why fuck yourself out of all that money when you don't have to. And for him to promise you 40lb. That's just unrealistic. Could you gain 40lb in that amount of time. Possibly if you never stopped eating but i would be willing to bet 50% is fat and 50% is water and muscle. Take your time damn it.

 

[bronco944]

listen to these people. $1890 is fucking rediculous. if you have the cash to spend find a reliable domestic source who carries human grade gear. legit human grade gear is all phjarmaceutcal quality and usualy coems from europe. its just as good as the shit youd get from the pharmacy here. but the only difference is you could do a cycle of:

500 mg's test / 10 weeks (any good human grade)
400 mg's deca / 10 weeks (organon yellow tops)

and about what would that cost? even with prices on teh higher side for a domestic it would be less than $600. probubly closer to $400

id definatlely rethink the whole perscription thing.

 

[JohnnyB]

Spend that $1900.00 on FOOD, start eating 4000 calories a day now. After a month up it to 4500, then to 5000. After 3 months of eating ad some test for 10-12 week at 400-500mg a week.

Because if your being accused of having AIDS, your not eating enough, plan and simple. All the juice will be wasted without FOOD.

Here's a thread for you to read.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/

JohnnyB

 

[DTOX]

I'd say forget the rejuv centers, and just go to your goddamn doctor and have your free/total test levels measured. If they're low then you'll get your script and maybe the insurance company will even cover it. That's how an awful lot of us here (like me) do it.

JohnnyB is right (as usual): instead of looking at gear you need to SERIOUSLY take a look at your diet cuz it's obviously shit. If you eat 4000 calories a day and don't gain weight well guess what? YOU NEED TO TRY 5000 CALORIES A DAY! Keep upping your calories until you start gaining about 1-2 lbs a week.

Your workouts probably aren't anything to brag about either.