Differential PCT drug symptoms, verifying its legit treating gynecomastia
So I want to stay on the good side of the law so I haven't ever done AAS (and don't tell me PCT without a script is illegal, its not) But I do lift weight and am up for using anything legal like sarms and clomid to boost test. The reason I'm here is because these communities are the best place to get help reversing gynecomastia without surgery in the world. No Joke.
I have had pubertal gynecomastia for 13 years now. Before you say that is too long I need surgery, go read the literature, even just on tamoxifen. It's not too long.
Anyway, I'm not a noob on this topic and I can probably keep up with some of the most knowlegeable on the board as far as tactics to reduce gyno.
My current treatment protocol is:
Tamoxifen 20 mg ED (pharmecutical, made by biochem in india)
Aromasin 12.5 mg ED (GWP great white peptides)
L-dopa (with carbidopa 100/10) ~300-500 mg per day (syndopa pharmecutical made by sun pharma in india)
things coming in soon:
Clomid
Pramiprexole
Once those are in I will probably go:
Tamox 20
Clomid 25
Aromasin 12.5
prami 0.125
l-dopa sporadically
My dream stack would be
Raloxifene 30 (half dose)
Tamoxifen 10 (half dose)
clomid 25
aromasin 12.5
prami 0.25
ostarine 25
winstrol 50 (if law wasn't an issue)
subbing in some ralox instead of tamox because less side effects (cataracts), and the clomid boosts the hpta so I don't need tamox.
However, I like that tamox lowers IGF (which lowering IGF helps reduce gyno), so I want to keep some of that in.
I basically want to lower everything that promotes gyno if possible (estrogen, prolactin, progesterone, IGF) and increase everything that demotes it (free testosterone).
Anyway so my question is: How can I tell what is working? I know you are going to say blood work. But if my E is lowered, that would mean my Aromasin is working right, since tamo doesn't lower E at all? If my Test is boosted (with my current stack) that would mean either the tamox is working or the aromasin since both can raise test, correct? If my free test is better that means aromasin is working? I know free test can be increased either from a decrease of estrogen or from increased sugar. So the nolva wouldn't reduce bound T correct?
Now, about the symptoms.
I think it would be beneficial if we list symptoms for PCT drugs and at what dose you should experience it. I think that would help people feel confident their drugs are working. I know its different for everyone, but it would be usefull to see common stuff.
I currently have been experiencing a little bit of odd feeling in my joints once in a while while on this and slight temporary headaches. Also I have more mood swings and am a little sadder sometimes. Also I feel weaker in the gym (can't get myself to do the same amount of sets I could before, reps are ok) and a bit more lethargic. I would like to know if either tamox, aromasin, or both could cause those (or even the l-dopa) just So I can be more sure my aromasin is working (I'm kinda worried about the cheap liquid from labs). Please don't tell me to look up the side effects online, I want men's first hand experience please.
Sorry for bieng kinda defensive, I've been lurking steriod forums for a while and yikes the meatheads will bash anything they can it seems. Just preempting that I guess
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Thanks for your help.
So I want to stay on the good side of the law so I haven't ever done AAS (and don't tell me PCT without a script is illegal, its not) But I do lift weight and am up for using anything legal like sarms and clomid to boost test. The reason I'm here is because these communities are the best place to get help reversing gynecomastia without surgery in the world. No Joke.
I have had pubertal gynecomastia for 13 years now. Before you say that is too long I need surgery, go read the literature, even just on tamoxifen. It's not too long.
Anyway, I'm not a noob on this topic and I can probably keep up with some of the most knowlegeable on the board as far as tactics to reduce gyno.
My current treatment protocol is:
Tamoxifen 20 mg ED (pharmecutical, made by biochem in india)
Aromasin 12.5 mg ED (GWP great white peptides)
L-dopa (with carbidopa 100/10) ~300-500 mg per day (syndopa pharmecutical made by sun pharma in india)
things coming in soon:
Clomid
Pramiprexole
Once those are in I will probably go:
Tamox 20
Clomid 25
Aromasin 12.5
prami 0.125
l-dopa sporadically
My dream stack would be
Raloxifene 30 (half dose)
Tamoxifen 10 (half dose)
clomid 25
aromasin 12.5
prami 0.25
ostarine 25
winstrol 50 (if law wasn't an issue)
subbing in some ralox instead of tamox because less side effects (cataracts), and the clomid boosts the hpta so I don't need tamox.
However, I like that tamox lowers IGF (which lowering IGF helps reduce gyno), so I want to keep some of that in.
I basically want to lower everything that promotes gyno if possible (estrogen, prolactin, progesterone, IGF) and increase everything that demotes it (free testosterone).
Anyway so my question is: How can I tell what is working? I know you are going to say blood work. But if my E is lowered, that would mean my Aromasin is working right, since tamo doesn't lower E at all? If my Test is boosted (with my current stack) that would mean either the tamox is working or the aromasin since both can raise test, correct? If my free test is better that means aromasin is working? I know free test can be increased either from a decrease of estrogen or from increased sugar. So the nolva wouldn't reduce bound T correct?
Now, about the symptoms.
I think it would be beneficial if we list symptoms for PCT drugs and at what dose you should experience it. I think that would help people feel confident their drugs are working. I know its different for everyone, but it would be usefull to see common stuff.
I currently have been experiencing a little bit of odd feeling in my joints once in a while while on this and slight temporary headaches. Also I have more mood swings and am a little sadder sometimes. Also I feel weaker in the gym (can't get myself to do the same amount of sets I could before, reps are ok) and a bit more lethargic. I would like to know if either tamox, aromasin, or both could cause those (or even the l-dopa) just So I can be more sure my aromasin is working (I'm kinda worried about the cheap liquid from labs). Please don't tell me to look up the side effects online, I want men's first hand experience please.
Sorry for bieng kinda defensive, I've been lurking steriod forums for a while and yikes the meatheads will bash anything they can it seems. Just preempting that I guess
.Thanks for your help.
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