DMZ LOAD 1st PH Cycle - Help/Feedback Appreciated

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P-House

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Hi,

I'm planning my 1st Prohormone Cycle. I'm 32 years old, 6'3", 210 lbs. I'm fairly lean and somewhat strong, but I have a fairly thin bone structure so even when I'm in good shape, I never really look big... I just sort of have a naturally lank-ish type build. My natural body weight used to be around 190 lbs, but over the years I've worked out a lot and force fed myself, and 210 to 215 lbs is about as big as I can get myself. I'd like some help getting to the next level. I'd like to gain some good hard mass.... and reach the 225 lb to 230 lb range. I've always been a wimp when it comes to Prohormoes, Steroids, and putting things in my body in general, but after some research, I don't think steroids or prohormones are as bad for you as many might think, provided they are used carefully. I'd be interested in trying a cycle of the real things, but for now I'm planning a cycle of DMZ Load. It's essentially a Dimethelizine/LMG Stack. I plan to take two pills a day for approximately 6 weeks, depending on how I feel. Here's the nomenclature:

17b-hydroxy-2a, 17b-dimethyl-5a-androstan-3-one-azine 15 mg

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one 30 mg

Here's my questions:

1) What are you opinions/experience of/with with these prohormones? Is this a good mass gaining product? Are these prohormones that powerful? Are they almost as effective as actual steroid? FYI - This stack is also sold under the brand name DMZ-13.

2) The bottle suggest 2 pills a day for no more than 6 consecutive weeks. I've received differing opinions on this... some say an 8 week cycle is do-able, and others say the dosage can be increased to 3 pills a day after the first few weeks. Is 8 weeks too long? Is 3 pills a day too much? Cycle recommendations?

3) PCT - I've also received various opinions on a PCT. I've picked up a bottle of "RECYCLE" for a PCT. Is this a good PCT for this stack? Is a SERM or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) necessary for these prohoromones, or can I safely use this cycle with an over-the-counter PCT?

Thanks for you answers and additional thoughts/feedback!!
 
You'll still need to eat more to get to that target body weight. If you can't eat more unless you're on steroids, then you'll just fall back down to where you were before.

Just saying, anyone can hit 300 pounds, but it would really, really sloppy (aka fat). If you can't break 215 at 6'3"... naturally... then it's time to reassess diet and training. That's just my opinion.

Also, using Phorce as your first hormone is a bad choice.
 
BigBlackGuy - Thanks for your feedback. Regarding diet and training, you're probably right... at least to some degree. I've been working out for a good 10 years, but I'm sure I could gain more naturally with improved diet and better training. I understand what it means to eat a lot and I used to take in about 5000 calories/day... and made some pretty good gains doing so. Part of me feels like I've plateau'd a bit and part of me is probably looking for a little help or quicker gratification.

I'm not sure what you're getting at by "sloppy" gains... while I'm sure my training isn't perfect, I would say it's pretty decent and I workout hard and regularly... certainly to the point where weight gains and energy would take the form as muscle as opposed to fat.

Why is Phorce a bad choice?
 
I ran dmz-1 from Generation x labs stacked with Halo and had great results. i ran a post cycle therapy (pct) then using testabol now. I think you will like the formula, just run a good post cycle therapy (pct) then give bulbine a try.
 
Halo and photoserm 347?

I researched DMZ-1 and it looks good. I'm trying to see what I should use for my next cycle. Doing dieselbolan now and love it. I break a sweat quick in the gym and have lots of energy to go longer. I am going to use clomid as a PCT and wanted to buy "bridge" but it's sold out everywhere I look. Is photoserm-347 any good? Any other alternatives to "Bridge" or DMZ-1?
 
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BigBlackGuy - Thanks for your feedback. Regarding diet and training, you're probably right... at least to some degree. I've been working out for a good 10 years, but I'm sure I could gain more naturally with improved diet and better training. I understand what it means to eat a lot and I used to take in about 5000 calories/day... and made some pretty good gains doing so. Part of me feels like I've plateau'd a bit and part of me is probably looking for a little help or quicker gratification.

I'm not sure what you're getting at by "sloppy" gains... while I'm sure my training isn't perfect, I would say it's pretty decent and I workout hard and regularly... certainly to the point where weight gains and energy would take the form as muscle as opposed to fat.

Why is Phorce a bad choice?
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Sorry I didn't mean to say you will get sloppy. I don't think you will at all. I'm just saying, if you're 215 now without steroids and when you're done the cycle you are 230, but you go back to eating the same amount you did before the cycle... you'll be 215 eventually again.

Also, stacking DMZ (one part superdrol!) and M-LMG (wet non-methyl) could be potentially dangerous because you won't know which steroid is causing what gains/side effects.

Something like a solo DMZ run or a M-LMG + Androhard run would be better because the side effects would be reduced (two non-methyls are easier on the lipids and liver, DMZ by itself you know if it is causing the side effects).

Phorce will be powerful, no doubt though.
 
BigBlackGuy - That makes sense. If I reach 230, I'm sure I'll have to eat like someone who weighs 230 lbs in order to maintain. And I hear what you're saying about running a stack. There's no way to tell how each compound will effect me as there's two factors involved and it's not a "controlled" experiment. I'll probably be stubborn anyway and try it nonetheless. Cleavage season is fast approaching and I want to be tip-top this summer... and I'm not getting any younger. Plus I hear DMZ Load is a strong stack with little sides. I've taken your diet and training suggestion to heart though - I've decided to hold off on the stack for another month or so, and I'm using a trainer for the next week to fine tune my workout. I'll post my progress when I begin the DMZ Load.

My most important question remains: What should be used as a post cycle therapy (pct)? Is a SERM necessary? I've read differing opinions. I've picked up a bottle of RECYCLE. Is this over the counter post cycle therapy (pct) good for this application?
 
P-House said:
My most important question remains: What should be used as a PCT? Is a SERM necessary? I've read differing opinions. I've picked up a bottle of RECYCLE. Is this over the counter PCT good for this application?
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No it's not. You need a SERM for a DMZ cycle. I'd suggest stacking it with TCF-1 as well. It's my favorite, cheap and easy PCT.
 
Big Black Guy- I've been reading a little bit about Primordial Performance's products. I like your company's business model. How effective is Andromass and what makes it "safer" than other PH's? Perhaps when I'm done damaging my liver on this dimethazine cycle I'll explore some of Primordial Performance's products.
 
Day 4 on DMZ: weighed myself yesterday (day 3) and was up 2 lbs. Woke up this morning and felt kind of hungover, so figured I should increase my water intake. I was drinking a gallon a day, so trying to up it to 1.5 gallons. Slept like shit last night because I woke up to piss a hundred times, so I'll try to drink most of the water earlier in the day and taper water intake off by 8:30pm.
 
P-house

P-house- how did DMZ load work for you. i got my first cycle today and want to make sure its legit before i start
 
Hey man, sorry for the late reply. I haven't been on these boards lately.

DMZ Load is definitely legit. I'm finishing a 45 day cycle after this weekend. I've put on 14-15 lbs. I was up 10 lbs after 4 weeks. I could have gained even more, but my eating has really been kind of poor for the last two weeks. The gains were slow and steady. You certainly have to eat-- it's not magic... But if you work out properly and eat a lot you'll gain for sure. I've stayed on it a little longer than intended because my strength has really improved, and I hate to come off! No sides to complain about. I look forward to the next cycle. I should probably do blood work to see how it's really impacted me sides-wise, but It's definitely legit.
 
P-House said:
Hey man, sorry for the late reply. I haven't been on these boards lately.

DMZ Load is definitely legit. I'm finishing a 45 day cycle after this weekend. I've put on 14-15 lbs. I was up 10 lbs after 4 weeks. I could have gained even more, but my eating has really been kind of poor for the last two weeks. The gains were slow and steady. You certainly have to eat-- it's not magic... But if you work out properly and eat a lot you'll gain for sure. I've stayed on it a little longer than intended because my strength has really improved, and I hate to come off! No sides to complain about. I look forward to the next cycle. I should probably do blood work to see how it's really impacted me sides-wise, but It's definitely legit.
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Are you using a post cycle therapy (pct) now? What about the final results?
 
I actually dropped 4 lbs quickly... I dropped 4 lbs about a week after stopping the dymethazine, but then the loss leveled off and I stayed level with an 11 lb gain.
 
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