DNP questions about use in morbidly obese people

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TheBlob

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Hi, I tried sending a message to DocJ about his thread here - steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/112234-massive-dnp-info.html but I am unable to send, presumably because I have only today signed up and have no posts (guessing its an anti spammer thing). I'm going to post what the message was here and hopefully someone else may be able to answer my questions. Dont worry, I'm not asking for sources of DNP capsules here, so hopefully I havent broken any rules. I can use google. I'm a bit puzzled as to how someone knows whether or not a source is safe though.

"Hi DocJ, I hope you dont mind me sending you this msg. Not even sure if you still use this website as the thread was quite old.

I was just wondering what is the reason you said DNP is not suitable for obese people? I realise the reason you mentioned women was because of the risk of cataracts, but wasnt it originally given to fat people rather than bodybuilders?

Also, everywhere I'm reading online says dose in relative rather than absolute terms eg X mg dnp per Y kg weight. For these calculations, do I use total weight (including the massive amount of fat) or just LBM, or IBM?

The reason I'm asking is because I'm thinking of taking it (after a bit more research on how to mitigate risks) if I can find a safe source online, because I am 266lbs and 54% bodyfat (which puts me in the morbidly obese category as I am only 5'6"). Aerobic exercise is very difficult at my weight, and weighlifting is currently impossible due to trapped nerves at thoracic outlet and cubital tunnel. Despite my weight (or possibly because of the excess weight I'm carrying around) I dont have a slow metabolism. If I dont do much my bodybug says I burn a little over 2400kcals, if im busy and have to go somewhere it can be as high as 3000. I need to lose it fast tho as I want to be 150lbs @ 6% bodyfat before end of next June so I can go swimming at the beach on my birthday (cant take t-shirt off in public atm because of moobs, 6% I read is the fat percentage where any lose skin after weightloss reattaches itself to the muscle).

My daily diet atm is 110g (dry weight) soya chunks, 6g reduced sodium salt (50% sodium chloride 50% potassium chloride), 30g flax oil, 2 opti3 EFA+DHA capsules as a fish oil substitute (I'm vegetarian), and a multi-vitamin/multi-mineral tablet. I also sometimes have 1 or 2 slices of bread but try not to.

Weight loss isnt fast enough though and I tend to lose motivation and fall off diets easy. I dont want another birthday to go by where I cant do what I want. Keeping the weight off once its gone will be easy as I can be more active and do stuff, go swimming, cycle without feeling like I'm having a heart attack, etc. Getting there is the difficult bit."
 
dude to be completely honest you need professional help with this kind of weight loss. I would consult a doctor and some weight loss specialists. DNP at your weight in my opinion could possibly kill you. Its a bad drug to begin with but I honestly think it could be lethal at your weight. I might be wrong but either way throwing in illegal substances at your weight is a bad idea. You really need to get a professional to help you with these weight loss problems and not think about anything that is not doctor prescribed.
 
Asking for trouble, TheBlob. Even at normal BF, DNP is dangerous. In your case, I would not be surprised if it were fatal. Sorry if that's harsh.

You need a doctor as MS said, not drugs.
 
If your doc thinks your healthy enough he can prescribe you phentermine ive seen it work wonders for obese people it is one hell of a appetite suppressant. How do I know? I used it for about a week and felt like shit it definitely works though. Ive witnessed many obese people drop alot of fat with phen. But if you go back to eating like you always have you will gain it back.
 
As someone that has been obese, I can promise you one thing: If you don't learn how to eat properly and LIVE that way, you'll NEVER stay at a healthy weight. Austinite's words may seem cruel, but DNP will very likely KILL you. There's a gentleman on this forum that has lost several HUNDRED pounds and is still doing so. It takes longer doing things the right way, but if you can make it a lifestyle choice, you'll be better off BY FAR in the long term.

Go swimming by the way. It's low impact and burns plenty of calories. If you're worried about body image, just wear a t-shirt while in the pool. Sorry, no magic shortcuts here. :wiggle:

My .02c :)
 
The only time I would condone DNP use is to get to low bf percentages (i.e. 6-8%). I've heard of some pretty amazing results with the drug but IMO the health risks associated with it are not worth it. In the end it is your choice and your body, but I would not recommend it at this point. Even if you do lose a lot of bf, if you don't know how to diet right then you'll gain it right back. Diet and exercise normally and when you reach a respectable bf then CONSIDER using stuff like clen, DNP, etc... (not that I condone DNP)

I will say that people seem to get good results at low doses of DNP, like 200 mg/day, for extended periods of time without experiencing any, or very little, side effects. However, even if they appear healthy no one really knows what's going on inside their bodies.

Lastly, search for conciliator and his posts on DNP. He is a very knowledgeable guy when it comes to the stuff.
 
Mad- scientist said:
lol the only way I would condone being around DNP is if you happen to be a factory worker who was exposed to it accidentally.
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Assuming its used intelligently and without the "more is better mentality", Lyle McDonald is of the opinion that its pretty safe overall.
 
DreDay187 said:
Assuming its used intelligently and without the "more is better mentality", Lyle McDonald is of the opinion that its pretty safe overall.
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Pretty safe industrial waste...?


There are far better ways to lose weight than to ingest toxic crap. I'm honestly pretty surprised anyone would call it safe, given the fact that it has killed folks and garnered media attention recently.
 
halfwit said:
Pretty safe industrial waste...?


There are far better ways to lose weight than to ingest toxic crap. I'm honestly pretty surprised anyone would call it safe, given the fact that it has killed folks and garnered media attention recently.
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Lol I'm not recommending it not would I personally use it but yes, Lyle McDonald and quite a few other respected authors/nutritionists deem it safe WHEN USED INTELLIGENTLY. Lyle actually ran it himself but that's another story.

I agree there are better ways to Lose fat but hell, I don think its that much worse than certain crash diets that can kill you when misapplied too. Clenbuterol has killed people but its still a "safe" fat loss supplement. 1-3 dimethyl was linked to those soldiers' deaths but people still use it all the time. Again, I'm not really recommending it for OP, just giving my thoughts :)
 
The last thing you need is any drug or chemical to lose weight.... The reason you turned into a fattass in the first place is because of you're lack of willpower and lack of control... The mind is the strongest tool out there for weight loss.. No drug or pill will do the work for you, so quit looking for an aid for that. It seems to me as if your work ethic is terrible. That's your problem.
 
TheFitnessLife4ever said:
The last thing you need is any drug or chemical to lose weight.... The reason you turned into a fattass in the first place is because of you're lack of willpower and lack of control... The mind is the strongest tool out there for weight loss.. No drug or pill will do the work for you, so quit looking for an aid for that. It seems to me as if your work ethic is terrible. That's your problem.
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Ummm there are medical conditions out there that make losing weight almost impossible or gaining weight extremely easy. Not everyone is fat bc of choice.
 
DreDay187 said:
Lol I'm not recommending it not would I personally use it but yes, Lyle McDonald and quite a few other respected authors/nutritionists deem it safe WHEN USED INTELLIGENTLY. Lyle actually ran it himself but that's another story.

I agree there are better ways to Lose fat but hell, I don think its that much worse than certain crash diets that can kill you when misapplied too. Clenbuterol has killed people but its still a "safe" fat loss supplement. 1-3 dimethyl was linked to those soldiers' deaths but people still use it all the time. Again, I'm not really recommending it for OP, just giving my thoughts :)
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Fair enough. I'm just surprised that Lyle McDonald would deem it safe given what it is. I'm pretty open minded, but DNP scares the hell out of me. Nothing like being cooked inside your own skin as a way to go for the long dirt nap. :eek: Point taken on the clen, which I have personally used. I just get nervous when folks that seem really desperate want to use substances that are very dangerous as they are the ones that are likely to overdose because they feel that they're not seeing results fast enough.

You know I've got nothing but love for you brotha. ;)
 
halfwit said:
Fair enough. I'm just surprised that Lyle McDonald would deem it safe given what it is. I'm pretty open minded, but DNP scares the hell out of me. Nothing like being cooked inside your own skin as a way to go for the long dirt nap. :eek: Point taken on the clen, which I have personally used. I just get nervous when folks that seem really desperate want to use substances that are very dangerous as they are the ones that are likely to overdose because they feel that they're not seeing results fast enough.

You know I've got nothing but love for you brotha. ;)
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Luke's biggest issue with DNP is the fact that most of the fitness community and especially many bodybuilder's operate under the more is better mentality. If 250mg makes one lose 4lbs/wk, they're bitten by the bug that says "well 1000mg would make me lose 16lbs in a week". The more is better mentality. Obviously that mentality can kill you with DNP very quickly. And for the reasons you mentioned and a few others, I'd tell OP not to use it, your point about desperation is very applicable. Desperate people do desperate things and that's a no no with this compound.

I know you e got nothing but love but you still won't leave the Missus for me ;) haha
 
DreDay187 said:
Luke's biggest issue with DNP is the fact that most of the fitness community and especially many bodybuilder's operate under the more is better mentality. If 250mg makes one lose 4lbs/wk, they're bitten by the bug that says "well 1000mg would make me lose 16lbs in a week". The more is better mentality. Obviously that mentality can kill you with DNP very quickly. And for the reasons you mentioned and a few others, I'd tell OP not to use it, your point about desperation is very applicable. Desperate people do desperate things and that's a no no with this compound.

I know you e got nothing but love but you still won't leave the Missus for me ;) haha
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Get that operation, and I'll be right there! :laugh:
 
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