Doc wants to put me on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) .. (labs)

rg8230

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Doc wants to put me on TRT .. (labs)

Hello,

I am new here and my doctor is considering putting me on HRT (specifically Testosterone replacement). I am a bit nervous:crying: as I get the feeling she is more experienced with diabetic pathology than most other areas of endocrinology (she is an endo). I would like to share with you a brief medical history and some recent test results.

I am a 27 year old male - 6'1" 176lb nude. My father was a big man and the men on my mother's side of the family were "normal" sized with full beards. I can not grow a beard nor any body hair (other than under my arms and around my genitals). I have an identical twin brother and he has similar problems, but he is somewhat larger than I am and can grow a bit more body hair than I. We are both smaller and less "masculine" than our father and those close to us in our family tree. I have noticed my twin developing slightly faster than I in the past few years. I have never used steroids.

I have almost completely lost my libido and for a number of years experienced an inability to perform sexually at times. My erections are nowhere near as firm as they used to be and I only occasionally wake with an erection. This decline happened after a rather famously tragic relationship:thefinger that really got me twisted about. I am not sure how much of this could be psychological. Around this same time, I also lost my lust for life. I no longer feel engaged and I have trouble concentrating. Also, I constantly feel hot and I sweat when others are breaking out the cold weather gear.

This is where I complicate things. I was recently treated for HCV (not fun) and completed therapy successfully two months ago. I must wait a few more months to find out if it worked. This treatment has caused my Thyroid to go a bit crazy. TSH has been all over the place. It is still bouncing around a bit, but has settled some since the cessation of HCV treatment.

I have had gynecomastia for some years and I really do not like it. It has been slowly progressing again for the past year or two. Inferior to my nipples and their surrounding areas, the glands resemble flattened donuts. There is not much glandular tissue directly beneath the nipple, but, as you move further, they begin to become more massive. I have the classic puffy nipple and almost never notice any pain, tenderness, or itchiness (maybe 1-4 times per year).

I had a pituitary MRI done 2 weeks ago and my posterior pituitary probably has a very small adenoma while my anterior pituitary seems to be ok. There was a bit of confusion on the anterior pituitary as the image was not idea. They did not rule out the possible of some malformation and did see a small area of heterogeneity that needs further examination but is not extremely alarming. My Dr. wants to repeat the test in one year. I had my PSA tested and it was normal.

All of the sex hormone test to follow were taken at 8am EST exactly everytime. The TSH was generally taken in the afternoon (3-4pm) unless it is listed on the same date as the sex hormones then it was drawn at 8 am.

Now for test results:
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10/12/2009 (during HCV treatment)

TSH				2.241	0.300-5.000*	uIU/mL

11/5/2009 8am

TESTOSTERONE, -	
TOTAL LC,MS,MS		215	250-1100*	ng/dL
% Free Testosterone	2.11	1.50-2.20*%
Free Testosterone		45.4	35.0-155.0*	pg/mL

12/14/2009

TSH				1.291	0.300-5.000*	uIU/mL

1/27/2010 (HCV treatment finished on 1/23/2010) 8am

Estradiol, Free		0.15	< OR = 0.45-**PG/ML
Estradiol, % Free		1.70	1.25-1.85*%
Estradiol(E2) Level		9	< OR = 29-*	PG/ML
TSH/Thy.Stim.Horm	6.25	0.40-4.50*	mIU/L
LH				2.9	1.5-9.3*	MIU/ML
FSH				1.9	1.6-8.0*	MIU/ML
Prolactin			16.7	2.0-18.0*	NG/ML
TESTOSTERONE, -
TOTAL LC,MS,MS		313	250-1100*	ng/dL
Free Testosterone		48.0	46.0-224.0*	pg/mL	
Testosterone, -
Bioavailable			107.1	110.0-575.0*	ng/dL	
SHBG				25	7-49*		nmol/L	
Albumin			4.9	3.6-5.1*	g/dL	

2/3/2010

TSH				3.153	0.300-5.000*	uIU/mL	

2/24/2010 8am

Cortisol			7.0	4.0-22.0 	MCG/DL
ACTH, PLASMA		11	7-50*		PG/ML
FREE T4			1.0	0.8-1.8*	NG/DL
TSH				4.35	0.40-4.50*	mIU/L
IGF-I				236	126-382*	ng/mL
Growth Hormone		<0.1	<=10.0-**	ng/mL

I have a lot more bloodwork, but most of it is more liver specific; although, I am not adverse to sharing it.

I saw my endo today and she prescribed me Androgel at 2.5g per day. I have not started it yet and may not at all. I know this is a rather low dose. I asked her many questions and she directly contradicted most of the information that I spent hours and hours reading:Playboy: reputable sources to find. If she was not contradictory she was elusive. I have also had brief conversations with doctors that specialize in male HRT and she discounted almost everything they said as well. She said E2 was nothing to worry about and that she would not test for it. She turned down a Clomiphene Stimulation Test as she was fairly certain that I was not primary. She also does not seem to care that we have found little rhyme or reason to my low T levels and jimmy jacked thyroid. :whipping: She is moving soon and I am switching docs. :moon: I live in Pittsburgh, PA.


Does it seem like a good idea to pursue testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? I am very concerned. I do not want to exacerbate my existing gynecomastia. Part of me wants to think that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is going to reinvigorate me and help me in great ways. There is also another larger part of me that sees this as a potential disaster in the making. I try to stay as well versed as I can in medicine, but I am no doctor.

Feel free to let the jargon fly and know that I value honesty. Thank you for your time.
 
Androgel sucks... go with injects. Get a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to combat estro. I believe E2 is something to worry about...

Speak to our HRT specialist---> Chip wadowski (big red banner) and the sticky at the top of the forum!
 
Definately go with inject- not the gell. I have been on HRT for 4yrs and I take nothing else with it and all is good. A little Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from time to time would be ideal, but at 42- I'm not real worried if the boys are there or not
 
Frankly, I would like to find a doctor who will attempt to find the cause of my hormonal anomalies and will attempt other, less permanent, therapies before diving into HRT head first. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I just do not want to end up regretting it for the rest of my life. I have enough regrets to begin with. haha.

I do hear people say that they love testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and they feel much better after beginning it and that makes me feel a bit better. I am just not convinced and the more I read the more it kind of freaks me out.

Is it possible to stop testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and have your hormone levels improve upon or at least reestablish at your pre-TRT levels?
 
do ur self a favor and call chip (248)345-8412, he understands u better then a regular doc,..I had kind of same problem and he fix my life back up,.he is not expensive and he will help u...
 
Frankly, I would like to find a doctor who will attempt to find the cause of my hormonal anomalies and will attempt other, less permanent, therapies before diving into HRT head first. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I just do not want to end up regretting it for the rest of my life. I have enough regrets to begin with. haha.

I do hear people say that they love testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and they feel much better after beginning it and that makes me feel a bit better. I am just not convinced and the more I read the more it kind of freaks me out.

Is it possible to stop testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and have your hormone levels improve upon or at least reestablish at your pre-TRT levels?

your Endo should be able to offer some options other than HRT to try prior. As far as them coming back after going on HRT- I doubt it, the long term use of HRT will definately not aid in the natural return. Unfortunately as we get older our levels drop
 
Thanks for the reply deepsouth. I am having trouble finding a decent endo. I have seen two so far and they scare the hell out of me. I found one in the area that I like but she is booked through september. I made an appointment with a uro today. I will see him in a month. I also am making an appointment with a doc in conshohocken. Let's call him dr. o.

I am not totally adverse to hrt, but at 27 I would prefer it as a last resort. That being said I am pretty sick of feeling poorly and the hot flashes, or whatever the this constant hot and sweaty sensation is, is driving me up the wall.

I will keep you all updated. Maybe someone will be able to take a page out of my book at some point. As always, I appreciate being able to take them from yours.
 
Im form Pgh too. Could you guide me in the right direction for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? Thanks,
Keith O.
 
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