Does this make my ass look big???

[justlearning]

Now that I have your attention some advice, constructive criticism, informed opinions would be greatly appreciated.

I'm currently running
sus 250 @500mcgs per wk mon/fri for 14 wks ( i'm on week 9 gained 6+kgs so far)

with nolva/arimidex
w/ zinc, magnesium and long jack for pct

A bb at my gym recommended adding masteron @250mcgs per week at the end wks 11-14 to harden up and help maintain gains and I thought I would ask for a second,3rd,4th opinion.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

 

[Austinite]

Not sure why you're showing measurements in micrograms. If you're in week 9, just follow the original plan. Your post cycle therapy (pct) concept is not post cycle therapy (pct). It's just minerals and an herb. Are you taking an AI?

 

[imdennis]

came in here hoping to see ass, and all i see is a wall of text

disappointing thread!

 

[Austinite]

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[Rumpy]

I don't know what your problem is Dennis, the guy looks like a big ass to me. I'd say he nailed it.

At 1/2mg per week, I don't think he'll need PCT, but if he ever runs 500mg a week, I would add clomid in with the zinc, (even though I hear they really are both about as effective).

 

[imdennis]

At 1/2mg per week, I don't think he'll need PCT, but if he ever runs 500mg a week

ima throw this out cause im curious, so lets say you cycle @ 500mg a week right, for lets say 12 weeks? drop the dosage to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) standards (100-200mg/week), for another 10 weeks, would u still need pct i mean he would lose majority if not all his gains but would recovery be smoother?

 

[Rumpy]

No, at least I don't think so. As far as I know, the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose will still keep him shut down, so when he recovers, he'll be recovering from a 22 week cycle instead of a 12 week cycle. The recovery will be harder, but have no gains to go with it. It's kind of a cost/benefit question. This is why I never recommend people run small doses, unless they really do have a good reason. I know this guy is doing 500mg and just typed it wrong, so no issues here, but it's the other guys that have never run any gear, but decide that they should run some stupid low dose because they don't want zits or they're worried about water retention or some shit.

Not you, OP, but just venting about other threads, sorry if I'm hijacking, but come on people, it's only a couple of months out of your life. The whole point of running a beginners cycle is to see how you react, most people have very few sides, so shut up and give it a try. Don't worry about what might happen, try it and see what does happen, to you. OK rant over.

 

[justlearning]

Say all you want about the misleading heading but it worked, didn't it? I put this same post up with a generic "need advice" heading and got 200+ views but no responses so I thought I'd try another approach.

And yes I meant mgs, my bad.

I have arimidex, it's an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) last time I checked.
I have nolvadex, zinc, magnesium and long jack for post cycle therapy (pct). I ran it in the past with no problems on the same sus 250 dose about two years ago.

Any thoughts on adding masteron to finish the cycle? Yes? No? Why? Why not?

 

[Austinite]

Say all you want about the misleading heading but it worked, didn't it? I put this same post up with a generic "need advice" heading and got 200+ views but no responses so I thought I'd try another approach.

And yes I meant mgs, my bad.

I have arimidex, it's an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) last time I checked.
I have nolvadex, zinc, magnesium and long jack for post cycle therapy (pct). I ran it in the past with no problems on the same sus 250 dose about two years ago.

Any thoughts on adding masteron to finish the cycle? Yes? No? Why? Why not?

Can you post your blood work results for your last cycle?

 

[justlearning]

Unfortunately no, it was two years ago.

 

[Rumpy]

I would still add clomid to your PCT

 

[imdennis]

No, at least I don't think so. As far as I know, the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose will still keep him shut down, so when he recovers, he'll be recovering from a 22 week cycle instead of a 12 week cycle. The recovery will be harder, but have no gains to go with it. It's kind of a cost/benefit question. This is why I never recommend people run small doses, unless they really do have a good reason. I know this guy is doing 500mg and just typed it wrong, so no issues here, but it's the other guys that have never run any gear, but decide that they should run some stupid low dose because they don't want zits or they're worried about water retention or some shit.

Not you, OP, but just venting about other threads, sorry if I'm hijacking, but come on people, it's only a couple of months out of your life. The whole point of running a beginners cycle is to see how you react, most people have very few sides, so shut up and give it a try. Don't worry about what might happen, try it and see what does happen, to you. OK rant over.

hmm kay heres another thought that just popped into my head, what if he tapers down.... so lets say 10 weeks @ 500mg, 5 weeks at 250mg, and then after like a few weeks drop it to 100.... and then 50.. wouldn't the low t get your body producting ur own test and ud have this test so when you come off it wouldn't be so bad cause you'd have some natty test or would it completely stall your whole system untill you stop injecting

 

[Rumpy]

Hmm, I really don't know. I think the same would apply and you would still be shut down. Conventional wisdom is to stop cold and crash your T as fast as possible so you can get on clomid right away. I know some guys will switch to test prop for the last few weeks of a cycle to let all of the long esters clear, that way they can minimize the down time and start PCT sooner. I do seem to recall hearing guys tapering down like you're describing, but it was way back in the old days, before PCT drugs as we know them. But like I said, I'm really not sure on this one. This sounds like the kind of thing Docd would have researched, maybe he'll have something to add.

 

[imdennis]

Hmm, I really don't know. I think the same would apply and you would still be shut down. Conventional wisdom is to stop cold and crash your T as fast as possible so you can get on clomid right away. I know some guys will switch to test prop for the last few weeks of a cycle to let all of the long esters clear, that way they can minimize the down time and start PCT sooner. I do seem to recall hearing guys tapering down like you're describing, but it was way back in the old days, before PCT drugs as we know them. But like I said, I'm really not sure on this one. This sounds like the kind of thing Docd would have researched, maybe he'll have something to add.

see my train of thought is your natty test stops because you have too much from injecting right... once your test dips low.. your body says "oh shit low test, i should start producing" right... even with pct you still have test in your system..... and ur system comes back so if you slowly dip your test lower and lower, my only guess would be that your system starts producing it's own test, but that also brings me to the next question, what if you roll at like 50-100mg test (tapered down) and then you run pct also.... would that make a difference

 

[Rumpy]

OK, again, I'm half guessing on this, so take it with a grain of salt. I think there are 2 problems with your logic. The first and most obvious is if your body started producing test on it's own that easily, there would be no need for PCT at all, once your test dropped, it should just kick in, but it doesn't, at least not for a LONG time, that's why we need PCT in the first place. The second one is that I think you need to be below natural levels for PCT to work. This is why you have to wait a minimum of 3 half lives for your test levels to drop below normal before starting post cycle therapy (pct). Otherwise you could just start PCT right after your last test pin. I know that doesn't work, but I'm not quite sure why. Again, this has a fair bit of bro science and shit I made up mixed in, so buyer beware.

 

[imdennis]

but pct helps start up your system right.... so since theres no actual proof, lets say your 50mg of test is enough test to start your own production with pct..., would it make sense to stick to 50mg of test + pct and then once your system starts to recover a bit, get off the 50mg of test so your natty test keeps producing even higher before your body cuts off the production , probably way over thinking this butfuck it someones gotta ask!

 

[Austinite]

If you are not a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient and you use even 100mg per week, you will need to perform therapy. Your brain does not know how much you are injecting, it just recognizes exogenous testosterone and begins the process of halting production.

the only time you wouldn't need PCT is if you aborted the cycles in under 3 weeks.

 

[imdennis]

If you are not a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient and you use even 100mg per week, you will need to perform therapy. Your brain does not know how much you are injecting, it just recognizes exogenous testosterone and begins the process of halting production.

the only time you wouldn't need PCT is if you aborted the cycles in under 3 weeks.

oooh! good answer thanks!

 

[Rumpy]

Yeah, I think I'm going to go with over thinking it a bit. I think you're probably right, but I still don't see the gain. If you went from 500 a week down to 50 a week, it would still take 2+ weeks for your levels to drop to the 50 dose, so I guess that would give you a bigger window on when to start PCT, but you're body really isn't going to produce anything, at least not enough to count. Bottom line is that 50 is still exogenous, so you're better off just running 500, then stop cold and time your PCT to start when your levels have dropped, to say 50 as in your example. Catching it on the way down is better than trying to maintain than low lever for some period of time because the sooner you start PCT, the better.

Austinite, if you have the time and inclination, would you go back and read my last few posts and let me know if I'm on the right track. Best thing to do is crash your test levels and start PCT as soon as possible, right?

 

[Austinite]

Yeah, I think I'm going to go with over thinking it a bit. I think you're probably right, but I still don't see the gain. If you went from 500 a week down to 50 a week, it would still take 2+ weeks for your levels to drop to the 50 dose, so I guess that would give you a bigger window on when to start PCT, but you're body really isn't going to produce anything, at least not enough to count. Bottom line is that 50 is still exogenous, so you're better off just running 500, then stop cold and time your PCT to start when your levels have dropped, to say 50 as in your example. Catching it on the way down is better than trying to maintain than low lever for some period of time because the sooner you start PCT, the better.

Austinite, if you have the time and inclination, would you go back and read my last few posts and let me know if I'm on the right track. Best thing to do is crash your test levels and start PCT as soon as possible, right?

As far as recovery goes, it doesn't matter. Like you said above, it would be like a 22 week cycle and would require an aggressive post cycle therapy (pct). Tapering off is no different than coming off 'cold turkey', as your levels begin to dwindle down for the following 2 to 3 weeks, assuming you're using cyp or enan esters. All you'd be doing by tapering off is extending the time to reach PCT.