doggcrapp and his extreme stretching

TxLonghorn

TxLonghorn

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I've looked into doggcrapps methods and on the surface (at least to me) don't look too terribly different until you break it down. As for the actual workout, it looks to me like some kind of hardgainer or h-s-t type of training. The rest pauses are nothing that many already do, maybe not all the time, but frequently enough and on many exercises. Hell, the 20 rep squat thingy is rest pause all the way. Now the statics are something you don't see or do everyday either.

However, you look at the people having success and having failure on his routine, and you seem to find one thing stands out. The ones having success are doing the extreme stretching and the ones who don't, are not having that much success.

Interesting.

I think I'm gonna have to try this and see what my results are.

But it just seems to me that really, the only things 'innovative' he is proposing (and obviously to some success) are the statics and the stretches.

Any thoughts?
 
something i do not do and should is stretch-- sounds interesting-- i have not read his stuff-- can you point in the direction of his writings
 
Parrillo recommends Fascia stretching.......he has a complete routine of stretches for all bodyparts.
 
I've incorporated the DC principles into my routine since august and have done the extreme stretching religiously along with it... Some like some don't... i swear by it... i don't follow his routine exactly but i made my own variation of it and it works great for me... the stretching is essential.. i have pics in the members pics area and will be posting more at the end of February which will show much improvment...
 
Txlonghrn::I've looked into doggcrapps methods and on the surface (at least to me) don't look too terribly different until you break it down. As for the actual workout, it looks to me like some kind of hardgainer or h-s-t type of training. The rest pauses are nothing that many already do, maybe not all the time, but frequently enough and on many exercises. Hell, the 20 rep squat thingy is rest pause all the way. Now the statics are something you don't see or do everyday either.

Doggcrapp:: see I kind of take offense to that, if all this is nothing new then why the hell wasnt anyone doing rest pause 2 years ago. I know for a fact I was the first one talking about rest pausing for a higher rep range (11-15reps) back in 93-95 when i had my magazine. Mentzer talked about it beforehand but he did rest pause singles only. Was anyone doing rest pauses in the 11-15 range previous to 2 years ago when I talked about my training on Animals board? I do alot of searching and Ive never seen anyone use rest pauses except in mentzers concept. The 20 rep squat is in noway my idea but thats not rest paused--thats a straight set. I get kind of pissed when people say "ahhh its old news, its common, its rehash"--really? then why werent people doing it previous to 2 years ago. I hear people coming out of the woodwork now saying they did but they sure werent talking about it--these boards have been around for 8 years now-where were they?-(I say thats bull). Parillo had fascial stretching which was a stretch held for seconds assisted by a partner. Ive been doing extreme stretching with weights for years but im not foolish to say that I pioneered that. I dont look for glory and praise but it pisses me off when i hear "oh its nothing new"--well you tell me then when someone else was doing carb cuttoffs, 4-8 weeks blasting 2-3 weeks cruising-both in training and cycling, higher range rest pausing, training bodyparts 2x every 8 days, extreme stretching with weights, olive oil intake to gain bodyweight etc all in one training concept because I would like to know. Everyone has been doing either the volume methods or something similiar to Dorians for years now. My way is much different than anyones methods out there--and I knew as soon as some of my trainees starting putting their pics up on boards and gaining 30-60lbs in a year that I would start hearing detrimental things--because its always easier to tear down than to give credit.
 
Once again I can vouch for DC, since using his principles in training and stretching i will never go back to a typical volume routine. People ask how i make such great gains naturally..... well now you know.
 
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lmao .. venom a natty :p itz gozilla .. no he just look like gozilla...

i dunno wtf im talkin bout
 
DOGGCRAPP said:

Doggcrapp:: see I kind of take offense to that, if all this is nothing new then why the hell wasnt anyone doing rest pause 2 years ago.

--and I knew as soon as some of my trainees starting putting their pics up on boards and gaining 30-60lbs in a year that I would start hearing detrimental things--because its always easier to tear down than to give credit.
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Well, I'm not trying to put down your methods at all, and in fact they look very promising based on what others have to say about it and I was planning on trying it out. That was the main reason for my question.

I understand also how you want people to either follow everything you advocate, or else not associate your name with it. That makes sense because inevitably you'll get people half-assing it and saying your program isn't worth anything.

I was just trying to isolate what I saw was the primary difference, that's all. That is in no way a slam on your program. And it's obvious that when you combine all the things you do, it is extremely innovative. I've yet to see any kind of program with all of these protocols included. I've seen rest-pauses, etc., but never the extreme stretching. For the 20 rep squats for example, the programs I've seen are rest-pause type of sets.

I was just curious how effective an addition the extreme stretching was, because it makes sense to me based on studies I've read.

No need to take offense.
 
DOGGCRAPP said:
Txlonghrn::I've looked into doggcrapps methods and on the surface (at least to me) don't look too terribly different until you break it down. As for the actual workout, it looks to me like some kind of hardgainer or h-s-t type of training. The rest pauses are nothing that many already do, maybe not all the time, but frequently enough and on many exercises. Hell, the 20 rep squat thingy is rest pause all the way. Now the statics are something you don't see or do everyday either.

Doggcrapp:: see I kind of take offense to that, if all this is nothing new then why the hell wasnt anyone doing rest pause 2 years ago. I know for a fact I was the first one talking about rest pausing for a higher rep range (11-15reps) back in 93-95 when i had my magazine. Mentzer talked about it beforehand but he did rest pause singles only. Was anyone doing rest pauses in the 11-15 range previous to 2 years ago when I talked about my training on Animals board? I do alot of searching and Ive never seen anyone use rest pauses except in mentzers concept. The 20 rep squat is in noway my idea but thats not rest paused--thats a straight set. I get kind of pissed when people say "ahhh its old news, its common, its rehash"--really? then why werent people doing it previous to 2 years ago. I hear people coming out of the woodwork now saying they did but they sure werent talking about it--these boards have been around for 8 years now-where were they?-(I say thats bull). Parillo had fascial stretching which was a stretch held for seconds assisted by a partner. Ive been doing extreme stretching with weights for years but im not foolish to say that I pioneered that. I dont look for glory and praise but it pisses me off when i hear "oh its nothing new"--well you tell me then when someone else was doing carb cuttoffs, 4-8 weeks blasting 2-3 weeks cruising-both in training and cycling, higher range rest pausing, training bodyparts 2x every 8 days, extreme stretching with weights, olive oil intake to gain bodyweight etc all in one training concept because I would like to know. Everyone has been doing either the volume methods or something similiar to Dorians for years now. My way is much different than anyones methods out there--and I knew as soon as some of my trainees starting putting their pics up on boards and gaining 30-60lbs in a year that I would start hearing detrimental things--because its always easier to tear down than to give credit.
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DC; I love you man and that's no joke.

Not only are your training protocols amazing and working superbly for me but your writing in the original 'cycles on pennies' megathread captured the essence of bodybuilding just like Jason Mueller was able to do...was very sad to see the end of his articles on AE...you two should (re)start a print mag...I'd buy it.
 
Frackal said:
DC; I love you man and that's no joke.

Not only are your training protocols amazing and working superbly for me
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I'd be interested in some feedback from guys who have done the doggcrapp method and what their thoughts were.
 
I've been using DC stretches now for some time and LOVE them!!!!

I am not on his weight routine, although I do use rest pause in my own training. But since adding the stretches I have improved the quality and shape of many previously bad body parts. My chest and back in particular are much fuller and rounder looking.

I am on a similar weight routine for calves as the one DC posts and it has done wonders for them. My calves are my worst BP, always have been, and while they may not be HUGE now they are 100% better.

I highly reccomend extreme stretching, you get some weird looks from the 'gym gurus' but fuck those guys. Do what works, not whats popular or what everyone else does.

I just wish I would have done these stretches years ago.

2 thumbs up from me!!!!
 
Where can I find information on the stretching? I would love to start this! I do conventially stretches, but they are stale and lame. Thanks!
 
This has been cut and pasted on almost every board, I got this from anabolex's training forum:

He believes like Jon Parillo did, that "extreme stretching" directly after a bodypart is trained is key for recuperation, recovery, and a primer for growth via fascial stretching and maybe even hyperplasia (more on that in a future article). He’s outlined a series of stretches that he finds extremely effective at both avoiding injuries and adding size during cycles. These
includes the weights he uses, which readers will obviously have to adjust (more than likely down) according to their own strength levels. Every extreme stretch is done right after that body part has been trained.

Chest

Flat bench 90lb dumbbells chest high--lungs full of air--first 10 seconds drop down into deepest stretch and then next 50 seconds really push the stretch (this really, really hurts) but do it faithfully and come back and post on the message board in 4 weeks and tell me if your chest isn't much fuller and rounder

Triceps

Seated on a flat bench-my back up against the barbell---75lb dumbbell in my hand behind my head (like in an overhead dumbbell extension)--sink dumbbell down into position for the first 10 seconds and then an agonizing 50 seconds
slightly leaning back and pushing the dumbbell down with the back of my head

Shoulders

This one is tough to describe--put barbell in squat rack shoulder
height--face away from it and reach back and grab it palms up (hands on bottom of bar)---walk yourself outward until you are on your heels and the stretch gets painful--then roll your shoulders downward and hold for 60 seconds

Biceps

Just like the above position but hold barbell palms down now (hands on top of bar)--sink down in a squatting position first and if you can hack it into a kneeling position and then if you can hack that sink your butt down--60 seconds--I cannot make it 60 seconds-- I get to about 45—it’s too painful--if you can make it 60 seconds you are either inhuman or you need to raise the bar up another rung

Back

Honestly for about 3 years my training partner and I would hang a 100lb dumbbell from our waist and hung on the widest chinup bar (with wrist straps) to see who could get closest to 3 minutes--I never made it--I think 2 minutes 27 seconds was my record--but my back width is by far my best body part--I pull on a doorknob or stationary equipment with a rounded back now and it’s
way too hard too explain here--just try it and get your feel for it

Hamstrings

Either leg up on a high barbell holding my toe and trying to force my leg straight with my free hand for an excruciating painful 60 seconds.

Quads

Facing a barbell in a power rack about hip high --grip it and simultaneously sink down and throw your knees under the barbell and do a sissy squat underneath it while going up on your toes. Then straighten your arms and lean as far back as you can---60 seconds and if this one doesn't make you hate my
guts and bring tears to your eyes nothing will---do this one faithfully and tell me in 4 weeks if your quads don’t look a lot different than they used to.

Calves

My weak body part that I couldn’t get up too par until 2 years ago when I finally thought it out and figured out how to make them grow (with only one set twice a week too). I don’t need to stretch calves after because when I do calves I explode on the positive and take 5 seconds to get back to full stretch and then 15 seconds at the very bottom "one one thousand, two one
thousand, three one thousand etc" --15 seconds stretching at the bottom thinking and trying to flex my toes toward my shin--it is absolutely unbearable and you will most likely be shaking and want to give up at about 7 reps (I always go for 12reps with maximum weights)--do this on a hack squat or a leg press--my calves have finally taken off due to this and caught up to
the rest of me thank God.

If you doubt the extra muscle growth possible with stretching I urge you to research hyperplasia (and the bird wing stretching protocols) where time X stretch X weight induced incredible hyperplasia. Our stretching is done under much lower time periods but fascial stretching and the possibility of induced
hyperplasia cant be ignored. I’ve had too many people write me or tell me in person that the "extreme stretching" has dramatically changed their physique to ever doubt its virtues
 
I can personally vouch for this program. I'm doing it now and have been for over a year. I had a couple of injuries (non-training related) that have really impeded my progress, but when healthy, this has easily been the most effective training philosophy I've done. Believe me when I say I've tried my share. I really like how you avoid overtraining on it & the stretching IMO really enhances the effects of the workouts. Be warned though, the first time you try it (if you do it right) you will be EXTREMELY sore!

Btw...I'd like to personally thank DC for sharing this training method to the world. I admit I was skeptical at first, but I'm now throughly convinced that you have came up with one of (if not the) best training programs ever developed.
 
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