Dr. Eugene Shippen For HRT

[DeusMalo]

Yeah, TR, I think ecdysone made a stupid statement with zero of it backed by anything. Stated quite differently than Dread Pirate (though I wish he would have put more than one sentence for both the OP and the rest of us to learn).

Anyway, best I can tell ecdysone made it to push buttons since nearly every word is flat wrong... did it work?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

what about it's affect on e2? Drives it way up for me and i've seen others have the same problem...

definitely true in a great many individuals. Hgc has an extremely high rate of aromatization. When dealing with guys in their early 20's, we, at maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), like to try Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy first along side of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen stress. I, personally hate hcg, although it is a necessity, because it aromatizes so heavily in me. I take as little as possible.

 

[methos]

Ok this thread is interesting. My question is: If Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy works and your T levels rise to an acceptable level from it, what happens next? Do you have to stay on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to maintain that level? Or, can people actually get off the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and have their body hold that new T level? Just curious if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can kickstart the system so-to-speak so the therapy does not need to be done indefinitely.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

ok this thread is interesting. My question is: If Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy works and your t levels rise to an acceptable level from it, what happens next? Do you have to stay on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to maintain that level? Or, can people actually get off the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and have their body hold that new t level? Just curious if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can kickstart the system so-to-speak so the therapy does not need to be done indefinitely.

valid question. Varies from person to person. Unfortunately, there really is no "concrete" answer that would apply to everyone. You would need to get regular blood work done to see how it affects you, personally.

 

[TR2838]

Yeah, TR, I think ecdysone made a stupid statement with zero of it backed by anything. Stated quite differently than Dread Pirate (though I wish he would have put more than one sentence for both the OP and the rest of us to learn).

Anyway, best I can tell ecdysone made it to push buttons since nearly every word is flat wrong... did it work?

you're funny Deus, it obviously worked.. Lol. I was tired going into work on a Sat morning and ummm, yea he pushed the right button.. Anyways this is turning into a good thread..

 

[cjw2021]

If my nuts actually were functioning I'd have no issue doing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) solo therapy. It just depends on how good your nuts are functioning under Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). More test isn't necessarily better, just like more insulin isn't necessarily better. And insulin is quite anabolic.

 

[DeusMalo]

definitely true in a great many individuals. Hgc has an extremely high rate of aromatization. When dealing with guys in their early 20's, we, at maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), like to try Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy first along side of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen stress. I, personally hate hcg, although it is a necessity, because it aromatizes so heavily in me. I take as little as possible.

Yeah, I hardly aromatize test it seems, but Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for some reason will throw my estrogen for a loop. Now that I know how I am with different doses, it is controllable via both dose and minimum AI.

Like anything else with Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) (or hell, even vitamins and supplements), takes monitoring and adjustment to figure out what is best for me.

 

[deanwelsh]

I am a 48 year old male. Married. 3 daughters ages 6, 8 and ten. I have all the physical symptoms of Low T.

Labcorp said my 'Testosterone, Free, Direct is 12.5 pg/mL. Their range (or, 'reference interval') is: 6.8 pg/ml - 21.5 pg/ml.

My brother is in family practice. He has been an MD for about 25 years. When I told him I was in the range regarding my free testosterone, he said, "What is your score?"

Me, "12.5 pg/ml".

His jaw about hit the floor. He exclaimed, "That sounds LOW to me!"

So, I did some research on the net.

^^National Institutes of Health (a US gov't site) considers "a free testosterone level below 65 pg/mL can provide supportive evidence for testosterone treatment.

^^"The lower limit of normal free testosterone is 50 pg/ml - measured by equilibrium dialysis according to the Endocrine Society."

^^Questdiagnostics.com had this for a 'Free T range: 18-69 year old: 46 - 224 pg/ml'

^^"...a free testosterone level below 64 pg/mL defines the minimum critera for diagnosing late-onset hypogonadism."

So, according to the four above EXCELLENT references, I would be low. VERY LOW. It is like Labcorp is giving me a false positive. So, today I had my medical records from my Internist sent to an endocrinologist. I will visit with her in about two weeks.

What to make of this wide difference between Labcorp's range -- and the ranges of the other references? I made sure (as best as I could) that I was comparing 'apples to apples' ie. pg/ml units to pg/ml units. Why such a large difference in range?

Would you be concerned regarding Low T if you free, direct testosterone score was 12.5?

I bought a used copy of Dr. Shippen's book, "The Testosterone Syndrome" but I find his numbers to be confusing because he never tells the reader if he is dealing with FREE testosterone or TOTAL testosterone. Is the reader to ASSUME that Dr. Shippen is ALWAYS referring to TOTAL testosterone UNLESS the reader is specifically told otherwise? No where in the index of that book could I find any of the following words:

Free

Direct

Biological Available

Thank you in advance for all your help!

Dean