E2 control for TRT...............

[Alpin]

I have no problem sticking to my protocol. It's the outsiders that need to be kicked out of my life that try and interfere.
A couple endo's and GP tell me to stop the ADEX asap cause we don't know the long term effects.
they obviously want to protect themselves from any liability.
I'm not shotguning the stuff down in huge doses....
I take as least as possible. What am I suppose to do develop tits, bph, high bp ?
on E7D shots my E2 climbs to 338 pmol/l.....
forget it!!!
had nasty side effects and ran adex too.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

So they tell you to stop adex and use what instead? These are also the same endo/GP's prescribing shit like SSRI's (fucking poisons IMO), we don't know the long term effects of those do we and I can bet my bottom dollar that adex is very safe compared to most other meds being taken on a daily basis. Geeze, fucking ignorance man I hate it.

What about for breast cancer? Women are taking adex at 1mg ED for upto 5 years? We (people on TRT) are using adex in much much lower doses and not crushing our estrogen. I would be more worried about the effects of having e2 unctrolled rather than take adex to control it.

E7D shots gives me wicked e2 sides and I believe it's why adex wasn't working well for me, but I am going to start at a low dose again probably 1mg a week for now and see how that goes. Pinning 2x a week FTW.

 

[Alpin]

So they tell you to stop adex and use what instead? These are also the same endo/GP's prescribing shit like SSRI's (fucking poisons IMO), we don't know the long term effects of those do we and I can bet my bottom dollar that adex is very safe compared to most other meds being taken on a daily basis. Geeze, fucking ignorance man I hate it.

What about for breast cancer? Women are taking adex at 1mg ED for upto 5 years? We (people on TRT) are using adex in much much lower doses and not crushing our estrogen. I would be more worried about the effects of having e2 unctrolled rather than take adex to control it.

E7D shots gives me wicked e2 sides and I believe it's why adex wasn't working well for me, but I am going to start at a low dose again probably 1mg a week for now and see how that goes. Pinning 2x a week FTW.

I felt totally fucked up with E7D shots of 160 mg and including lower doses of HCG. I used ADEX too and still was feeling anxious. Spaced everything E3D and sides disappeared.
oh....you'll love this!!!
A GP told me to increase my paxil and stay at 240 ng/dl TT and include wellbutrin to fight off the fatigue from lower levels of T. Anything to get out of writing a script for his patients. Another dirt bag that's going to get cut off!!!!
These are all MD's that the socialized health care system provides. This same fucking GP told me that the T shots I am on 160-180 mg/week are totally ok with him cause he sees I am a big guy and he said himself that lower doses will do fuck all for you. But he tried to get me off it...
whats that tell u ?
If a patient of his has low T he gives them 80 mg of andriol he says...and they feel fuck all.
See how they don't want to give you scripts for vials ????
He obviously knows what works but wont give it.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

A GP told me to increase my paxil and stay at 240 ng/dl TT and include wellbutrin to fight off the fatigue from lower levels of T. Anything to get out of writing a script for his patients. Another dirt bag that's going to get cut off!!!!
These are all MD's that the socialized health care system provides. This same fucking GP told me that the T shots I am on 160-180 mg/week are totally ok with him cause he sees I am a big guy and he said himself that lower doses will do fuck all for you. But he tried to get me off it...
whats that tell u ?
If a patient of his has low T he gives them 80 mg of andriol he says...and they feel fuck all.
See how they don't want to give you scripts for vials ????
He obviously knows what works but wont give it.

Fucking retard doctor

 

[Virginian]

The half life of adex with E4D dosing would create a bit of an up and down rollercoaster I'd say aswell.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that even though adex has a short halflife, that the E2 levels rise only slowly after adex is gone. Is that true? Or does the E2 level rebound quickly after the adex has left your body?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Nope, quite the opposite, adex and letro will cause e2 rebound when you stop them which is why you should taper them. Stane is the one that won't cause rebound, but it's out of your system much quicker.

 

[Alpin]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that even though adex has a short halflife, that the E2 levels rise only slowly after adex is gone. Is that true? Or does the E2 level rebound quickly after the adex has left your body?

There was guys saying ADEX works for up to 96 hours....
I just cant find the data on it. Half life is indicated as 48-50 hours on drug id listings.

 

[Virginian]

Me personally I'm happy being at 1200ng/dl on TRT at my age and it isn't overly high but I choose to do so for the extra libido, sense of well-being, body comp basically all the goodies just a little more amplified without going drastic.

I like that 1200 ngdL number (age 71, weight 150). I am guessing (based on limited lab results that I am now running about 1000 trough and 1200 peak using about 100 mg/week (56 mg every 4 days).

Lifts are about 30% more than before I started. Muscles larger and more cut, less fat, mood good.

I plan to reduce dose slightly in the future because of concern about adverse effects. The question is how low can I go withut losing the benefits? I'll find out soon.

 

[Alpin]

I like that 1200 ngdL number (age 71, weight 150). I am guessing (based on limited lab results that I am now running about 1000 trough and 1200 peak using about 100 mg/week (56 mg every 4 days).

Lifts are about 30% more than before I started. Muscles larger and more cut, less fat, mood good.

I plan to reduce dose slightly in the future because of concern about adverse effects. The question is how low can I go withut losing the benefits? I'll find out soon.

Your 71 ?

 

[Virginian]

Your 71 ?

Yes. 71 years old. Isn't TRT mainly for old guys?

 

[Alpin]

Yes. 71 years old. Isn't TRT mainly for old guys?

I have no issue with it...
Just never imagined a 71 year old at 1200...
lol

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Sorry I really meant to say 1400 trough 1600 peak being my goal, but I am 19/ At 71 I'd probably not want to be exceeding 1200 make it the peak, even then you still have to take it easy and would settle for something like 900 trough 1100 peak or so

 

[DrHouse]

Just posted this on another thread, compliments to Austinite.

"Natural Over The Counter AI's:

- DIM (Diindolylmethane) - I use this with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), very effective.
- Resveratrol (pretty weak)
- Chrysin (better than Resveratrol, but still weak)
- Zinc (Decent, but an effective dose is also not healthy)

In my experience, it's always been proven (through blood work) that DIM is the most effective natural OTC product available today. Coupled with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), it can do some good for you. My testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) protocol is now managed so well, that I don't even use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I use DIM solely. Works perfect for me. "

 

[Virginian]

At 71 I'd probably not want to be exceeding 1200 make it the peak, even then you still have to take it easy and would settle for something like 900 trough 1100 peak or so

What do you see as the problem of a peak at 1200 for someone who is 71?

I am going to reduce my dose somewhat after my next blood test, but I have to say that I really like my results with my current dose.

 

[Alpin]

What do you see as the problem of a peak at 1200 for someone who is 71?

I am going to reduce my dose somewhat after my next blood test, but I have to say that I really like my results with my current dose.

Do what feels right to you...
IMO....you wont feel like total crap by coming down to 1000 ng/dl
Remember the TT is pretty high, and because it is exogenous T it will make the T more Bio Available.
Manage your E2, watch that PSA carefully....
BP e.t.c.
IMO....after 50 I'm gonna stay at 800 ng/dl....
its a decent level and not to extreme.

 

[Alpin]

VIRGINIAN:

Hope u are controlling RBC's and donating blood ?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

What do you see as the problem of a peak at 1200 for someone who is 71?

I am going to reduce my dose somewhat after my next blood test, but I have to say that I really like my results with my current dose.

1200 would be good, but I certainly wouldn't exceed at at your age (at 71 we were never meant to have levels close to that and as the aging process goes on while test will certainly help you don't want to be pushing it too high and risk injury/overworking)... I only say that from a health point of view

And yes you certainly won't feel like crap at 1000ng/dl that's for sure, heck even 800ng/dl would have you feeling great. I have always said when I give up bodybuilding (which won't be anytime soon) and/or when I hit my 30's I will be lowering it a more appropriate level for that age say now lower than 1000ng/dl, in my 50's onwards I'd want to be no lower than 800-1000ng/dl which is excellent levels for that age.

VIRGINIAN:

Hope u are controlling RBC's and donating blood ?

Especially at 1200ng/dl RBC would most likely be a problem, another advantage of keeping the test dose reasonable. As I age whilst I do want the well-being/health effects of testosterone, longevity of life while maintaining quality is my concern.

Also, just to jack your thread Apollon hope you don't mind brother, has anyone else found they are non-responders or respond very little to adex? I have begun adex again at .5mg ED because I climbed up through my sweetspot (fuck I wish I could just freeze it there) after crashing it with stane as even 12.5mg ED was too strong and hoping that adex I can get it back in that sweetspot... I just seem to be one of those guys who has a hard time dialing in their e2 which has been may main problem from the start. I'm going to get bloods in two weeks though with adex at .5mg ED starting yesterday to see where I am at, I am almost set that I'm going to be dropping the test back to 200mg over 250mg (probably at something like ~1800 on that judging by my old bloods at 250mg E7D) as I am shooting for ~1400ng/dl at my age and I'd say 250mg has me a lot higher than that due to my very low SHBG levels. The drop in test levels should also help to control e2.

 

[Alpin]

Sounds like a high dose of ADEX Staunched427....
.5 mg ED for a TRT protocol?
I switched to .25 mg E3D and can feel my joints drying up...
I always wanted to break those fucking tabs in half and run them EOD for optimum E2 control...
Why can't they make ADEX in 0.5 mg strength?
it's a drag to go through compounding phramacy's

STAUNCHED427
keep this in mind...
Running labs on this stuff when first starting out again after a lay off of no TRT....
I ran labs. At Exactly 2 weeks after last T shot (it was 160 mg E7D's) my TT was 598 ng/dl...
Bio Avail T was 15.1 nmol/l (range: 2.5-18.7 nmol/l)
other labs have the top range of Bio Avail. T at 11.5 nmol/l.....
so I was certainly not doing bad!!!!
I had energy to work out e.t.c.
I didn't feel bad at all...
Just shows you we tend to be greedy a bit and max out our doses sometimes.

 

[Alpin]

Like I said I'm not going over 800 ng/dl after 50....

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Yep I seem to be one of those people that just don't respond to adex, keep in mind 1mg ED wasn't working on 250mg E7D (suspicions of under dosed stuff though even though it was pharma), I'm now on that split up twice a week but going to lower it to 200mg a week as I know 250mg is quite high.

When I first started out at 250mg E7D I was using adex at .5mg EOD (different pharma brand) was working allright at the time but e2 may still have been climbing, it's a bit all over the place like I said trying to dial it all in. Test is quite high though so obviously lowering it to something more appropriate will help this.

.5mg ED I have only just started yesterday so will see where it puts me at in 2 weeks with blood test in terms of test/e2.

Some peole just respond differntly to AI's, some need very little adex to crash and some need a lot, stane can easily dump my e2 but for others not so much. Just a case of YMMV.