E2 control without AI'S

[railrider]

Thats what I'm wondering but have no clue as to what.
So I know at 47 I feel good but get flares which nolva would fix. But I also have the loss of libido which I don't think nolva would help.
Honestly it's like my body is rejecting the meds.
I can't even tell when I take a Test dose anymore and I'm actually loosing strength in my workouts and cardio endurance.

 

[railrider]

I guess I could try a stronger dose I have nothing to loose. I noticed Det-Oak says it needs to be taken daily at 12.5-25mg. But how long would it take to recover if I went to low.

 

[railrider]

Upped the dose to 12.5 today we'll see what happens.

 

[maxxmill17]

Rail; I have had sides from every med. I even have I have to use enanthate cause cyp makes my bp sky-rocket..you will find may dr's and guy's here act as if we are doing something wrong..ok then guide me pls. take the reigns ..bottom line is some of us have reactions that others dont experience. lucky them. You have touched on many things I have done or tried.. if I just stick it out will the sides go away and I regulate..I tried that with cyp. and bp stayed in danger zone too long 100-180 (enanthate 75-125)..
ok back to e control questions... i am looking at a bottle of anastrozole .25mgs from dr. ..i take 65mgs test monday then .65mgs again friday..what day would i do anastrozole to try to lower E...and are we fucked doing bi-weekly dose of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) does that create a problem of when to dose anti E?? thx

 

[railrider]

The increased dosage seemed to help. Lymph nodes are not swollen today and today was the first time I've had morning wood in months. So we'll see what the next few day's bring.

 

[maxxmill17]

anastrozole .25mgs when would i take this and is it possible 1x per week could help lower my e?

 

[Detro996]

anastrozole .25mgs when would i take this and is it possible 1x per week could help lower my e?

This might help you as it did me. I'll give you the link to the whole study but the jist of is this. Group 1 took 1mg a day, Group 2 took only 1 mg twice a week and of course Group 3 was placebo.

Over a 12 week period group 1 & 2 had nearly the same results.

Figure 3 shows the changes in mean serum estrogens during the 12-wk study period. Mean serum estradiol levels decreased from 26 ± 8 to 17 ± 6 pg/ml in group 1 and from 27 ± 8 to 17 ± 5 pg/ml in group 2 (P < 0.001 vs. placebo for both groups and P = NS group 1 vs. group 2). Notably, the 12-wk serum estradiol levels remained in the normal male range (10–50 pg/ml) in all but one treated subject (group 1 subject, level 9 pg/ml). Mean serum estrone levels decreased from 38 ± 19 to 21 ± 9 pg/ml in group 1 and from 45 ± 16 to 23 ± 7 pg/ml in group 2 (P < 0.001 vs. placebo for both groups and P = NS group 1 vs. group 2). Mean serum SHBG levels decreased from 38 ± 12 to 34 ± 12 nmol/liter in group 1 (P = 0.015 vs. placebo) but did not decrease significantly in group 2, compared with the placebo group.



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[yari777]

Hello Rail I was following this thread due to similar issues please update how you are doing.

 

[railrider]

I'm currently attempting a restart using Nolva. I'm tired of feeling like shit. I've tried so many different things over the last year that my body is just plain fucked up so I'm going back to baseline. My program will consist of 45 day's and from there I'm going to let my body do its own balancing act and then figure out exactly what I do and don't need.
Today was my first blood draw so in a couple of days I will know if my HPTA is working or not. I will post results. If its broke I'm still going to let my body balance out on its own and then use as little drugs as possible to make me feel better if that means kissing my nuts goodbye so be it I'll go fill as many cups as I can for future use of kids and call it good.

 

[Natehayes]

This was an interesting read:

16 Ways to Fight Gynecomastia | Primordial Performance Blog

I have had little luck with AI's. Like you I seem to have a hard time walking that line between enough and too much.

I dropped the aromasin an tried the topical test on the ballsack option and have found the slight gyno I have has all but disappeared and I feel better than I did on letro, aromasin or tamo.