Effective treatment for minor, idiopathic gyno?

[StAAS56]

Effective treatment for pre-existing gyno?

Anabolic history:
Ran 2 cycles of epistane back in 2008. 2nd cycle gave me moderate gyno with noticeable puffy nips. Did my post cycle therapy (pct) with OTC supplements, no SERMs. The gyno stayed for a few months but then gradually subsided in both nips. I took a break from training around the same time.

Fast foward to 2011:
Started training again this past May after a long lay-off. Within the past couple months I noticed some sensitivity and a small mass under my left nip only. The gyno seems to have come back on its own although this time it's not noticeable at all. I only know its there because its a bit painful when I lean on my chest. Strangely it seems to be getting bigger even though I haven't touched anything hormonal in 3 years (I am NOT prone to natural gyno). It's a mild case but I want it gone if at all possible, especially because I was planning to start a cycle of anavar in a few weeks.

I have the following on hand:
-Nolva
-Clomid
-Arimidex

Suggestions for a minor run to "nip" this problem in the bud, so to speak? Will there be any problem with taking an SERM/AI now, then starting Anavar in a few weeks to be followed by a standard post cycle therapy (pct)?

Thanks

 

[StAAS56]

D1: 40 mg Nolva

Will take 20 mg Days 2-7 and assess the situation at the end of the week. If no improvement is detected I may discontinue Nolva and give Arimidex a go.

 

[NastyNate500]

Maybe try some Letro? Wait for someone else to chime in on this, but Letro will absolutely obliterate estro. It's typically used on cycle when someone has gyno set in fast and they need it gone as soon as possible. I'm not sure how viable it is when you're not on a cycle though.

 

[StAAS56]

Yea, that's what I've come across in my searches. I have none on hand but I'll be ordering some soon. On the positive side, however, the nolva already seems to be working after just 1 day.

 

[DADAWG]

1st you do a prohormone cycle and now you want to run a oral only cycle / var . read my sticky thread on oral only cycles , they arent worth it . its time to put on your big boys pants and run a real cycle or get a new hobby besides this one.

 

[StAAS56]

1st you do a prohormone cycle and now you want to run a oral only cycle / var . read my sticky thread on oral only cycles , they arent worth it . its time to put on your big boys pants and run a real cycle or get a new hobby besides this one.

Oh I have read it, along with many other threads on the issue from various boards. I have been reading about anabolics for a long time (years).

Epistane was worth it for me. If I can replicate and maintain the gains I made from it with anavar, then it will be worth my while. Judging by user feedback, I should get at least as much, if not more, out of var @ 40 mg/ED x 8wks.

I am not scared of injections. I have done regular b12 injections before with an insulin needle. I will inject again, but not with an androgenic compound.

What I want to avoid are androgenic sides:
1) Body acne (I'm prone)
2) Hair loss (I don't want to find out if I'm prone)
3) Gyno (already had a bit from epistane, once is enough)
4) Strong shutdown/libido loss (forget about deca/dbol)
5) Prostate enlargement
6) High BP

That rules out most compounds besides Anavar, EQ, and Primo. Which, not coincidentally are the exact compounds I plan to use for my first few cycles. I also want to avoid scar tissue buildup from frequent injections, so short esters/half-lives are out of the picture.

The plan at the moment is to start with anavar only for 6-8 wks. Then, depending on how the latter goes, either do PCT or else, bridge to EQ/Primo.

I am really not looking to get input on my cycle here because I already know what you're going to tell me: You need test as a base, test should be your first cycle, etc...

No thanks, I'm not going to run test as my 1st cycle or ever if I can make any gains at all from weaker androgens. I have high hopes for Anavar (var), EQ and Primo, in that order, either taken individually or stacked (1 oral + 1 injectable).

I am in this for the very long haul. I fully intend to use at least 6 months out of a year for the rest of my life. I'm in my mid-twenties and have never touched alcohol, drugs or tobacco. I'm very healthy, I have all my hair and I want it to stay that way. This means I am going to use the mildest possible compounds that will give me gains. EQ and Var both have very desirable side effects (appetite stimulation & collagen synthesis, respectively), whereas other AAS have undesirable sides.

 

[DADAWG]

Oh I have read it, along with many other threads on the issue from various boards. I have been reading about anabolics for a long time (years).

Epistane was worth it for me. If I can replicate and maintain the gains I made from it with anavar, then it will be worth my while. Judging by user feedback, I should get at least as much, if not more, out of var @ 40 mg/ED x 8wks.

I am not scared of injections. I have done regular b12 injections before with an insulin needle. I will inject again, but not with an androgenic compound.

What I want to avoid are androgenic sides:
1) Body acne (I'm prone)
2) Hair loss (I don't want to find out if I'm prone)
3) Gyno (already had a bit from epistane, once is enough)
4) Strong shutdown/libido loss (forget about deca/dbol)
5) Prostate enlargement

That rules out most compounds besides Anavar, EQ, and Primo. Which, not coincidentally are the exact compounds I plan to use for my first few cycles.

The plan at the moment is to start with anavar only for 6-8 wks. Then, depending on how the latter goes, either do PCT or else, bridge to EQ/Primo.

I am really not looking to get input on my cycle here because I already know what you're going to tell me: You need test as a base, test should be your first cycle, etc...

No thanks, I'm not going to run test as my 1st cycle or ever if I can make any gains at all from weaker androgens. I have high hopes for Anavar (var), EQ and Primo, in that order, either taken individually or stacked (1 oral + 1 injectable).

I am in this for the very long haul. I fully intend to use at least 6 months out of a year for the rest of my life. I'm in my mid-twenties and have never touched alcohol, drugs or tobacco. I'm very healthy, I have all my hair and I want it to stay that way. This means I am going to use the mildest possible compounds that will give me gains. EQ and Var both have very desirable side effects (appetite stimulation & collagen synthesis, respectively), whereas other AAS have undesirable sides.

maybe you should take up badmitton or maybe crocheting .test is the only natural male steroid. steroids are obviouslly not for you and having you post this crap just encourages the next idiot to rationalize that its okay to do this crap as well. the name of this board is STEROIDOLOGY.

 

[StAAS56]

maybe you should take up badmitton or maybe crocheting .test is the only natural male steroid. steroids are obviouslly not for you and having you post this crap just encourages the next idiot to rationalize that its okay to do this crap as well. the name of this board is STEROIDOLOGY.

And the harm of doing "this crap" is what, exactly?

Gaining 10-12 lbs instead of 25-30 lbs of water, and NOT looking like "that guy who juices" from the gym?

Show me the guys who still have all the hair on their head and don't have elevated BP or other sides who are pushing test over EQ or Var. They are few and far between. What I find is that all the guys pushing the "gotta inject test or it ain't a real cycle" are bald by 26 and look exactly like the stereotypical "roid monkey". I'm not going for that look, you see.

But to you guys there's no middle ground between taking a centrum daily for health and shooting up with Test and Tren. Thousands of people have had success with prohormones, with var alone, with injectables like EQ. Their anecdotes are all over the net, posted right alongside those of harsher compound users. Yet none of that matters, eh?

Do I need to be 200 lbs or more ripped? Nope. Not at all. Tell ya what, I'll see you when I'm 60 years old and we'll compare notes, alright? Because I'm still going to be in the game at that age with a full head of hair. And the way I'll get there is by NOT running strong androgens. Hello Anavar (var), hello EQ and Primo. Bye bye test, tren, deca, dbol, Winstrol (winny), a50, m-drol, etc...

 

[DADAWG]

And the harm of doing "this crap" is what, exactly?

Gaining 10-12 lbs instead of 25-30 lbs of water, and NOT looking like "that guy who juices" from the gym?

Show me the guys who still have all the hair on their head and don't have elevated BP or other sides who are pushing test over EQ or Var. They are few and far between. What I find is that all the guys pushing the "gotta inject test or it ain't a real cycle" are bald by 26 and look exactly like the stereotypical "roid monkey". I'm not going for that look, you see.

But to you guys there's no middle ground between taking a centrum daily for health and shooting up with Test and Tren. Thousands of people have had success with prohormones, with var alone, with injectables like EQ. Their anecdotes are all over the net, posted right alongside those of harsher compound users. Yet none of that matters, eh?

Do I need to be 200 lbs or more ripped? Nope. Not at all. Tell ya what, I'll see you when I'm 60 years old and we'll compare notes, alright? Because I'm still going to be in the game at that age with a full head of hair. And the way I'll get there is by NOT running strong androgens.

i im about to turn 50 and still have my hair . i get checkups every 3 months and have no blood pressure issues despite mey size and age.you arguement is full of shit.

you are scared of the very thing that makes you a man , TESTOSTERONE.

AS INFO
PCT FOR ANAVAR ONLY CYCLE IS PREMARIN AND MIDOL FOR 3 WEEKS.

 

[StAAS56]

lol, thanks for the "info"

I'm glad you still have your hair at nearly 50. You probably have good genetics for maintaining it (as I do). Still, many people don't. And the way "hardcore" guys like to talk is that if you're afraid of going bald, then roids aren't for you. I beg to differ.

Scared of test? My natural levels are very high, as I've been tested before. Yet I'm still a skinny ectomorph, by nature. Meso and endomorphs who (probably) have lower natural test levels and higher est have a much easier time gaining mass in the gym than I do. Ironically, my naturally-high test levels are probably keeping me lean instead of making it easy to bulk up. Funny how that works, eh?

If I want higher test levels I'll take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Hell, it doesn't even need to be a drug. A supplement like Novedex XT from Gaspari works well enough for that purpose.

 

[Natehayes]

I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but will add that if you are counting on EQ not raising your BP and not shutting you down you are barking up the wrong tree.

A lot of folks (me included) get a significant increase in BP from EQ.

I would suggest you do some more homework and listen to the more experienced guys, like Dadawg.

 

[StAAS56]

I'm not going to get in the middle of this, but will add that if you are counting on EQ not raising your BP and not shutting you down you are barking up the wrong tree.

A lot of folks (me included) get a significant increase in BP from EQ.

I would suggest you do some more homework and listen to the more experienced guys, like Dadawg.

What makes you think I haven't done my homework. I never said that EQ and Var had no sides. I implied they had fewer sides than stronger androgens, which is true. However, I'll look into the BP issue. Every roid seems to have its own unique benefits and its own unique downsides.

I think you got into the middle of it after all. This was a thread about idiopathic gyno, not about cycle suggestions. I haven't cycled in 3 years. It sucks when you make a carefully written thread about a specific topic and people ignore that to give you advice on something totally unrelated. Especially when you already know what they're going to say.

 

[Natehayes]

What makes you think I haven't done my homework. I never said that EQ and Var had no sides. I implied they had fewer sides than stronger androgens, which is true. However, I'll look into the BP issue. Every roid seems to have its own unique benefits and its own unique downsides.

I think you got into the middle of it after all. This was a thread about idiopathic gyno, not about cycle suggestions. I haven't cycled in 3 years. It sucks when you make a carefully written thread about a specific topic and people ignore that to give you advice on something totally unrelated. Especially when you already know what they're going to say.

What makes me think you have not done your homework is when you make statements like this:

"What I want to avoid are androgenic sides:
1) Body acne (I'm prone)
2) Hair loss (I don't want to find out if I'm prone)
3) Gyno (already had a bit from epistane, once is enough)
4) Strong shutdown/libido loss (forget about deca/dbol)
5) Prostate enlargement
6) High BP"

And then specifically list compounds that can have some or all of those effects while swearing up and down you will never touch test. Plus if you had done your homework you would have known already that elevated BP is one of the more common side effects of EQ

If you wanted this thread to have only been about your gyno perhaps you should not have mentioned your planned cycles. You are the one that threw that into the mix. You can't really expect to tell us you plan on doing Anavar (var), primo or EQ only cycles and not expect to get some comments on it.

I have pubertal gyno and have successfully dealt with it.Normally I try and help guys out with similar issues, but in this case I might as well not bother since (as you said) you already know what I'm going to say anyway.

 

[StAAS56]

What makes me think you have not done your homework is when you make statements like this:

"What I want to avoid are androgenic sides:
1) Body acne (I'm prone)
2) Hair loss (I don't want to find out if I'm prone)
3) Gyno (already had a bit from epistane, once is enough)
4) Strong shutdown/libido loss (forget about deca/dbol)
5) Prostate enlargement
6) High BP"

And then specifically list compounds that can have some or all of those effects while swearing up and down you will never touch test. Plus if you had done your homework you would have known already that elevated BP is one of the more common side effects of EQ

If you wanted this thread to have only been about your gyno perhaps you should not have mentioned your planned cycles. You are the one that threw that into the mix. You can't really expect to tell us you plan on doing Anavar (var), primo or EQ only cycles and not expect to get some comments on it.

I have pubertal gyno and have successfully dealt with it.Normally I try and help guys out with similar issues, but in this case I might as well not bother since (as you said) you already know what I'm going to say anyway.

You'll notice that I put high BP on the bottom of my list of sides to avoid. You'll further notice that the top 3 slots were given to sides which are *NOT* strongly associated (or at all associated) with the compounds I intend to use: Anavar (var), EQ and Primo. Had I put elevated BP in the #1 slot and then gone ahead and revealed my plan to take EQ, maybe I could see your point that I hadn't done my homework. But I didn't do that. I put high BP at number 6 out of a list of 6, indicating a position of least importance.

This should tell you something about my thinking process. It means I am not living in a fantasy land where I think that I can avoid sides altogether, but rather that there are some sides that are more important for me to avoid than others.

"If you wanted this thread to have only been about your gyno perhaps you should not have mentioned your planned cycles. "

I mentioned my planned cycle only because it was relevant to the issue of what action I should take at present. Be it to start with nolva now, or to run my cycle and wait until post cycle therapy (pct). I decided on the first approach since I got no advice from anyone here.

"I have pubertal gyno and have successfully dealt with it.Normally I try and help guys out with similar issues, but in this case I might as well not bother since (as you said) you already know what I'm going to say anyway. "

Ok, it's simple. Allow me to explain it to you.

If I wanted input on my cycle I would have made a thread with the content: "Here's my cycle. Comments?" I didn't make that thread because I already knew what peoples' input would be. Instead, I made a thread asking about gyno reduction since in that area, I DIDN'T know the answer. Obviously, if I had known the answer to gyno reduction, I wouldn't have made the thread. So what ended up happening? People starting giving input on the peripheral issue that I already the answer to, and never gave any input on the issue that I was actually asking about. Brilliant, Holmes.

Let's make this simple instead of dancing around the issue:
1) Are you stating that EQ will, on average, produce equal or greater sides than Test?
2) Are you denying that test can cause all of the sides in my list?

If yes to either of the above, back up your answer with facts. Otherwise, re-read my post until you understand my reasoning for not wanting to take strong androgens, and kindly stop attributing to me claims which I never made, such as the notion that EQ has no sides or that I know all there is to know about AAS.

Here's what I wrote:

I already know what you're going to tell me: You need test as a base, test should be your first cycle, etc...

And what happened in the next post? A guy with a dog avatar implied that a cycle without test wasn't a real cycle. In other words, the very thing which I predicted would happen, happened. Ergo, I was right.

Further notice how the statement I made did not amount to claiming to know everything about AAS.

 

[DADAWG]

You'll notice that I put high BP on the bottom of my list of sides to avoid. You'll further notice that the top 3 slots were given to sides which are *NOT* strongly associated (or at all associated) with the compounds I intend to use: Anavar (var), EQ and Primo. Had I put elevated BP in the #1 slot and then gone ahead and revealed my plan to take EQ, maybe I could see your point that I hadn't done my homework. But I didn't do that. I put high BP at number 6 out of a list of 6, indicating a position of least importance.

This should tell you something about my thinking process. It means I am not living in a fantasy land where I think that I can avoid sides altogether, but rather that there are some sides that are more important for me to avoid than others.

"If you wanted this thread to have only been about your gyno perhaps you should not have mentioned your planned cycles. "

I mentioned my planned cycle only because it was relevant to the issue of what action I should take at present. Be it to start with nolva now, or to run my cycle and wait until post cycle therapy (pct). I decided on the first approach since I got no advice from anyone here.

"I have pubertal gyno and have successfully dealt with it.Normally I try and help guys out with similar issues, but in this case I might as well not bother since (as you said) you already know what I'm going to say anyway. "

Ok, it's simple. Allow me to explain it to you.

If I wanted input on my cycle I would have made a thread with the content: "Here's my cycle. Comments?" I didn't make that thread because I already knew what peoples' input would be. Instead, I made a thread asking about gyno reduction since in that area, I DIDN'T know the answer. Obviously, if I had known the answer to gyno reduction, I wouldn't have made the thread. So what ended up happening? People starting giving input on the peripheral issue that I already the answer to, and never gave any input on the issue that I was actually asking about. Brilliant, Holmes.

Let's make this simple instead of dancing around the issue:
1) Are you stating that EQ will, on average, produce equal or greater sides than Test?
2) Are you denying that test can cause all of the sides in my list?

If yes to either of the above, back up your answer with facts. Otherwise, re-read my post until you understand my reasoning for not wanting to take strong androgens, and kindly stop attributing to me claims which I never made, such as the notion that EQ has no sides or that I know all there is to know about AAS.

Here's what I wrote:

And what happened in the next post? A guy with a dog avatar implied that a cycle without test wasn't a real cycle. In other words, the very thing which I predicted would happen, happened. Ergo, I was right.

Further notice how the statement I made did not amount to claiming to know everything about AAS.

ouch your touchy , muct be your time of the month.take 2 midol and try again tommorow.