endo appointment at 21 years old

[RJ]

One more thing i hear alot of you guys talk about. Just because you are on HRT doesn't mean you have no chance of having children. Sperm production is based on FSH and LH levels and even with those in the low range, you can still have a high sperm count and get your woman pregnant. I am a perfect example of that. My FSH levels are always way low, either barely in range, or below, and my sperm count was 42million ppm. Normal is 20million ppm.

Just an FYI. Yes you would rather not be on TRT/HRT, but its not the end of the world.

 

[3J]

as soon as i hit 35 im going on trt.. hands down..

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i shoot my 150mg/w once a week and it is fine. Remember, TRT/HRT is not designed with bodybuilding in mind..

i agree but it would still be optimal to shoot 2xs a week-instead of disregarding maybe you guys should give it a shot.

think about the paragraph i quoted, if your T levels hit 1200 2 days after 100mg shot-that is very high and just above normal range-that means your body will AROMATISE to try and stabilize. this will increas estradiol, and as the paragraph states Testosterone is less effective when estradiol is high.

now if levels drop all the to 200ng/dl by morning of day 10 than i cant see them being more than 500 on morning of day 7.

with that being said wouldnt it be beneficial if we could get levels up to 8-900 and only drop them to 600 before next shot? that would mean 2 things

#1 less aromatisation-Test works better

#2 less up and down

BTW those halflifes posted are just guess's there are too many varibles to conclude that that will positively be the half-life. it could be different depending on person and the area you shoot it in-because of fat solubility

 

[Ythrashin]

i agree but it would still be optimal to shoot 2xs a week-instead of disregarding maybe you guys should give it a shot.

think about the paragraph i quoted, if your T levels hit 1200 2 days after 100mg shot-that is very high and just above normal range-that means your body will AROMATISE to try and stabilize. this will increas estradiol, and as the paragraph states Testosterone is less effective when estradiol is high.

now if levels drop all the to 200ng/dl by morning of day 10 than i cant see them being more than 500 on morning of day 7.

with that being said wouldnt it be beneficial if we could get levels up to 8-900 and only drop them to 600 before next shot? that would mean 2 things

#1 less aromatisation-Test works better

#2 less up and down

BTW those halflifes posted are just guess's there are too many varibles to conclude that that will positively be the half-life. it could be different depending on person and the area you shoot it in-because of fat solubility

You shoot it directly into a muscle Oak. Mor BF will only slightly decrease the rate in which it leaves your system. Unless you shoot subq...which is not a good idea with Test since it is fat soluble and wont want to leave. You'll get a sterile abcess like a mofo... Which I got when trying to shoot Winstrol (winny) subq... I read that some people had success but not I...

The spike in estro would probably not be a problem and never is for me. With longer esters the initial spike I'm sure is not to bad. From experience it is not...

There is no up and down roller coaster feeling shooting 1 time per week...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i know you guys dont "notice" it-but have you tried it the other way? you may be suprised to find you feel better or you may not-but the science is their to back it up. levels will be more stable-maybe it will help maybe it wont

i understand what your saying about sub-q-----but muscle has fat in it-and some muscles have more fat than others

this is the reason that shooting something in the glute will not leave as quickly as it would the delt

 

[Ythrashin]

I've tried it both ways noticed no difference...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

fair enough

 

[Ythrashin]

Another reason I'd rather pin 1 time per week is because of simplicity... pinning 2 times a week gets old after awhile. Not to mention the possibility of building more scar tissue.

 

[RJ]

BTW those halflifes posted are just guess's there are too many varibles to conclude that that will positively be the half-life. it could be different depending on person and the area you shoot it in-because of fat solubility

Det, I'm not disregarding it. I have tried it both ways. But splitting up 150mg/w into two shots is not only a pain in ass like ythrash said, but its nearly impossible to get thew dosing right cuz your talking about 1/3cc of test.

Main reason i don't do it is based on your paragraph above. There is no way of knowing, because of depot distribution in the muscle, BF%, etc, that your guy can say your test levels will definitely be 1200 after day 2. And 200 after day 10. Could they be close or even that dead on? Sure, but if i take 200mg of test and you take 200mg of test, they are not gonna be the same just because we took the same amount. Neither are the estradiol counts, etc.

Yes, science does backup HOW it works once injected, but because of body chemistry, science can never determine EXACTLY what the outcome will be for every person that does it, even if the action is the same.

Give you an example as well. My last two big cycles before i stopped competing and started HRT, i tried on doing all my injects 2x week like most do, and the last one I did all my injects on Sunday. Were talking 1g of test and 600mg of Deca at one point. All on Sunday. Never had any issues. Nothing about the cycle was different doing it either way. This was all LE gear btw. But even SE gear, i usually do a MWF split and not EOD. Still no probs.

 

[TylerDurden7]

My transition from eow to ew is going to be bridged by an injection at the 10 day mark. It's day 8 and I'm feeling good today, however I know levels will be dropping again soon and I do not want to go from feeling like Tarzan to a timid little boy whose nuts havent dropped yet again. I called the endo and they wouldnt do it today because they were booked all day. I can buy syringes at my pharmacy and am considering injecting myself today for the sake of avoiding a rollercoaster. The only thing preventing me from getting in the car right now is the fact that I am scheduled for an injection at the office 2 days from now. Would injecting 400mg in a week only once and then going to 200mg ew be a bad idea?

 

[RJ]

I think you're thinking too much about it. Stop thinking you're gona feel like shit and you won't feel like shit. EW injects are fine for what you are doing.

Here's a ley breakdown of how it will look blood level wise.

week 1 - 100mg
week 2 - 50mg (half of your first dose) + 100mg (next dose) = 150mg levels
week 3 - 75mg + 100mg = 175mg
week 4 - 87.5 + 100mg = 187.5mg
week 5 - 93.75 + 100mg = 193.75mg

Now, I don't know about you, but that seems pretty reasonable to me with regards to stability. Yes i know its not exact, but its close enough for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) purposes. Doing it 2xweek is only making your blood levels higher quicker, not necessarily making them more stable due to the half life of LE test.

 

[TylerDurden7]

Update: 6 weeks on 200mg/wk

Bloodwork Total Test: 1002 Free Test: 42

Feeling great! Body weight is back up to what it used to be and am still growing. Have gone from 170 to 190 lbs. Strength has been regained. Went to get my injection today and nurse showed me blood test and sounded a bit alarmed. She said both were too high and free was double normal. Going to talk with the endo on Friday and see what he says. Is my free test really double where it should be and is this a dangerous state to be in?

 

[xredxdoggx]

Sorry for the late post, but I was 24 when I was treated for low test. 7 for my free test and 233 total. I was given Test Cyp also, dosed 200mg/ml every two weeks. Felt good after first month or so. After three months free test was 53 and total test was 1211. My doc said how do you feel, and I said fabulous. He decided that he would keep everything the way is was and 6 yrs later everything is great! I am suprised that he didn't start me with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but then again who would have thought he would have kept me at the highest end of the total test level!

He also mentioned my progestin level was high, 3 times or more than normal. Can't that be a reason? Who knows, anyways good luck!