My first bout with AAS was in the form of PP 1ttren topical lotion. It's main ingredient was dienedrone(same compound from in dienedrone and 1ttren). I made some SERIOUS gains from it, kept all the weight I gained minus about...2-3lbs. After that I ran another cycle of the same thing, with a longer duration with 2 more pumps daily, but my gains wern't nearly as explosive as my first try. And recently I finished a bottle of the PP 1ttren LV, which I did notice some gains from. It's good stuff bro, why not just pony up and try the real stuff bro?