Epistane 2 weeks in.

[cdy2179]

Well I'm two weeks in my epi cycle. I'm taking 30mg a day. Did two days at 20mg and I've been at 30 since then. I'm also on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so my test levels are a non issue.
Results.... Well I started at about 195... And now I'm bumping 200. I haven't really noticed much strength increase but pumps have been good and my Abs are comming through better and my shoulder veins are popping pretty good when I hit chest or shoulders. Also getting a few extra bicept veins.

Now the problem.....I'm so DAMN tired. Even SD never did this. Hit legs yesterday and I had to fight through as legs are exhausting already. I feel like I've been up for 24 hours straight. I aslo had to take a day off epi this week as it had my head hurting and felt tight like pressure.

Anyone else experience this?

 

[mlupi319]

are you taking anything for cycle support? And although I did not get lethargy on Epi many people do. maybe try a low dose eca stack or a NO supp low dosed

 

[cdy2179]

Yea I'm taking, hawthorne berry, liv50, milk thisle, fish oil,fenugreek and lots of water. Speaking of water piss is always a dark Orange, even when well hydrated

 

[gonzolo]

Your piss been dark orange indicates that epistane is being very harsh on your liver.
I remember when I was cycling p-mag, whenever I piss first thing in the morning or in the middle of the night my piss would always be dark orange, because while sleeping I sweat a lot and it caused me to be dehydrated.

 

[mlupi319]

ya so i guess keep pounding water. and now reading over your post again maybe stimulants are a bad idea since you're getting headaches and such (high bp).

I would try dermacrine (DHEA)- people take it to combat lethargy while on cycle

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

ya so i guess keep pounding water. and now reading over your post again maybe stimulants are a bad idea since you're getting headaches and such (high bp).

I would try dermacrine (DHEA)- people take it to combat lethargy while on cycle

Another vote for topical DHEA.
4-AD by AMS would be another solid choice.

 

[cdy2179]

I take dhea and pregnalone drops sublinularly as part of my trt.

 

[JMA75]

Im 5 days into my epi cycle, and also feeling a bit more tired than usual. At the gym, Im fine, I take a pwo, plus pop a caffeine pill before. Im also taking dermacrine (only 2 pumps each)with the morning and afternoon doses.

 

[cdy2179]

Another vote for topical DHEA.
4-AD by AMS would be another solid choice.

I took 4ad topically a few years back with m1t and superdrol. Loved it! However I'm now on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so no longer need 4ad. I inject test every 5 days, my levels stay over 1000... In other word my test is always a good bit higher than those with natural test levels of course there may be a few freaks out there who naturally produce levels that high.

Best part is I can run a cycle with no pct, other than to give my body a rest, and I can easily keep my gains. Of course being a human pin cushion sucks.

 

[FL3X MAGNUM]

4-AD RD tabs will help combat lethargy. In this scenario it wouldn't be used for a source of test. You would take it to feel more energy on cycle.

 

[mlupi319]

If you're already injecting why use prohormones? Hell I'd go for some masteron over Epi any day

 

[cdy2179]

Im 5 days into my epi cycle, and also feeling a bit more tired than usual. At the gym, Im fine, I take a pwo, plus pop a caffeine pill before. Im also taking dermacrine (only 2 pumps each)with the morning and afternoon doses.

Yea I started feeling tired about day two. Instead of bouncing out of bed I just want to lay there. On my past SD and m1t cycles I always felt like a beast, in and out of the gym.

Only 2 weeks left. I was gonna run 6 weeks but may just do 4. I'll start throwing in cardio this week.

 

[cdy2179]

If you're already injecting why use prohormones? Hell I'd go for some masteron over Epi any day

Don't see why not use them, all orals are rough, legal or not. I've had awesome results with little side effect from SD and m1t in the past. and prohormones are cheap as hell (you can run a SD cycle for $10 not including pct and support of course) I have some deca on hand but don't want to have to up my test that high and get bloated up on deca right now, I'm saving it.