Estrogen blocker that wont jack up cholesterol????

[viceman316]

Hey guys, Im currently on a cycle and liquid Arimidex is the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) im using, but im reading a lot about arimidex causing high cholesterol.

How much does it really jack it up? is there a better alternative to Arimidex? I took letrozole once and hated the sides- hoping thats not the only better option

 

[IloveDeadLifts]

It won't jack up your cholesterol. It'll probably lower your good cholesterol though. Last cycle My HDL dropped to 20. A month after the cycle I was back to 45 though which is normal but not as good as I usually have. This is due to estrogen's role in your regulation of cholesterol. If you're really worried go on a statin blocker prescribed by a doc. If you want a supplement alternative take redyeast rice with Coq10. Redyeast rice has a natural statin blocker similar to lovestra which was one of the first on the market. Not the best statin blocker out there but it'll due without a script. Also increase your intake of polyunsaturated fatty acids Like Omega 3, in the forms of flax and fish oil. I also recommend avocados and olive oil. I take about 2-3 grams total Omega 3 from mixed sources to help with my HDL levels. It's not a remedy but it will ease the blow on your HDL.

 

[DeadnBloated]

Aromosin

 

[MGVICE]

thanks guys much appreciated!

 

[bigbodymingle]

use nolva

 

[StoneColdNTO]

use nolva

Nolvadex is a SERM....not an AI.

 

[inyourface]

I have heard arimidex is a shit Aromatase inhibitor (AI), letro is much better

 

[epoxy]

havent run adex. didnt have any issues with Aromasin any of the times ive used it though, its pretty good. Letro on the other hand, which im running now, will fuck up your numbers because there goes like 98% of your estrogen. 'sin +1

 

[MGVICE]

I have heard arimidex is a shit Aromatase inhibitor (AI), letro is much better

ON the subject of letro, I tried it a few years back when i first took a shot at doing test and I FELT HORRIBLE!

I was completely dried out, to the point where i was losing size and my strength was shot. Im loving the arimidex right now

 

[bigbodymingle]

Nolvadex is a SERM....not an AI.

the title says estrogen blocker.
Nolva gets the job done and has positive effects on lipids

arimidex, aromasin and letro are all going to basically have the same result as far as estrogen suppression

 

[StoneColdNTO]

the title says estrogen blocker.
Nolva gets the job done and has positive effects on lipids

arimidex, aromasin and letro are all going to basically have the same result as far as estrogen suppression

Nolvadex will NOT stop the aromatization of T into E. It will NOT eliminate or even reduce water retention.

...if you seriously think the three AI's you listed all have the same effect on E suppression, you need to do some more research bro.

There are also studies posted here that show Aromasin having very little negative effect on blood lipids.

 

[juced_porkchop]

nolva is NOT an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) it blocks estrogen it at certian spots like breast but thats it.
it would still be buildign up.

 

[bigbodymingle]

Nolvadex will NOT stop the aromatization of T into E. It will NOT eliminate or even reduce water retention.

...if you seriously think the three AI's you listed all have the same effect on E suppression, you need to do some more research bro.

There are also studies posted here that show Aromasin having very little negative effect on blood lipids.

1. He asked for an ESTROGEN BLOCKER that wouldnt "jack up" his cholesterol. I assume for gyno prevention, why are you hung up on water retention?

2. you really think you can take aromasin or letro or adex and feel the 10 or 15% of difference in estrogen suppression? i dont. the fact remains that serms better fit the profile drug he was asking about.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

1. He asked for an ESTROGEN BLOCKER that wouldnt "jack up" his cholesterol. I assume for gyno prevention, why are you hung up on water retention?

2. you really think you can take aromasin or letro or adex and feel the 10 or 15% of difference in estrogen suppression? i dont. the fact remains that serms better fit the profile drug he was asking about.

1 -Why are you hung up on gyno prevention?
The truth be known, Nolvadex is an old outdated drug for gyno prevention.

2 -Yes, there is a big dfderence between the three. You take 1mg Arimidex and compare to to 2.5mg or even just 1mg of Letro and you sure can tell there is a big difference.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

generally with test only cycles, nolvadex is OK (not the best, but generally effective). The puffyness and hard tissue may even go away with nolva, but when there is puffyness its less likely.

people often give advice that they dont understand. Like "dont use anything till you get the gyno"... NO... thats really bad advice. use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), preferably exemestane or AIFM (otc). you can even low dose, if you want more estrogen (the concept of estrogen related anabolism is one of much contention--- what is not of contention is that excess estrogen is the cause of almost all the side effects of test based cycles). even just moderating that estrogen with a low-moderate dose Aromatase inhibitor (AI) can make a significant difference.

nolva on the other hand suppresses Igf-1, so using it as a preventative is not as reccomendable... plus many of its effects are estrogenic...

And you are using nolva, which may or may not help, depending on a lot of factors. because of the mixed er activity, under some circumstances nolva just wont be doing much, in others it will work fine (because its actions relies heavily on receptor distribution and regulation-- which can be different because of genetics or other factors)....

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[bigbodymingle]

1 -Why are you hung up on gyno prevention?
The truth be known, Nolvadex is an old outdated drug for gyno prevention.

2 -Yes, there is a big dfderence between the three. You take 1mg Arimidex and compare to to 2.5mg or even just 1mg of Letro and you sure can tell there is a big difference.

those are all different drugs, who says the dosage would be the same? Nolva may be outdated but it doesnt have neg effect on lipids and thats what he asked about. It also isnt as harsh as some of the ones listed above, which are harder on me. Using what someone else opinion to support your own doesnt really count. nolva also stimulates the HPA axis, as far as igf show me one study that shows significant effects in males

 

[estray]

those are all different drugs, who says the dosage would be the same? Nolva may be outdated but it doesnt have neg effect on lipids and thats what he asked about. It also isnt as harsh as some of the ones listed above, which are harder on me. Using what someone else opinion to support your own doesnt really count. nolva also stimulates the HPA axis, as far as igf show me one study that shows significant effects in males

Youre not getting it. While Nolva doesnt have a neg effect on lipids it doesnt control estrogen which is what the original poster is looking for, hence his current use of Arimidex. Theyre not the same class of drug, theyre not used for the same purpose. So why do you continue to argue? Youre wrong, move on.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Youre not getting it. While Nolva doesnt have a neg effect on lipids it doesnt control estrogen which is what the original poster is looking for, hence his current use of Arimidex. Theyre not the same class of drug, theyre not used for the same purpose. So why do you continue to argue? Youre wrong, move on.

But he can't ever admit he's wrong and has to argue everything....he is a nurse though, so maybe that has something to do with it......lol

 

[bigbodymingle]

Youre not getting it. While Nolva doesnt have a neg effect on lipids it doesnt control estrogen which is what the original poster is looking for, hence his current use of Arimidex. Theyre not the same class of drug, theyre not used for the same purpose. So why do you continue to argue? Youre wrong, move on.

why am i wrong? does nolva not block the attachment of estrogen to the receptor in the breast? how do you know nova wouldnt work? how do you know its not for gyno prevention? he said he didnt want to take adex or letro. id rather be a nurse than a has-been, but its cool

 

[IloveDeadLifts]

Dang it.... I've used adex for a few cycles now and my lipids are always a little out of wack afterwards. I just did some reading on Aromasin and now I'm wishing that I've been using that instead. Def seems like aromasin is the way to go if you want to avoid sides while keeping Estrogen low. It's a little pricier than adex but worth it I guess. I'll def switch over for the next run.

What do you you guys think of proviron? I was thinking of trying that in the future as it has a positive effect on your test metabolism.